JLARC Report: More Than Just “Mo’ Money”

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by Dick Hall-Sizemore

The Joint Legislative Audit and Review Commission (JLARC) released a major report last month on the Commonwealth’s K-12 funding formula. The responses were predictable.

On Bacon’s Rebellion, Jim Bacon dismissed the report as a cry for “mo’ money.” Democrats in the General Assembly seized upon the report and its findings as more ammunition in their fight against Governor Youngkin’s effort to cut taxes further.

It is true that the report concludes that the state needs to provide more funding for K-12. However, the report is much more than that. In the report, JLARC documents serious deficiencies in the formula that is used to calculate funding for K-12. It then proposes some significant changes that could be made that would improve the funding system. The report deserves a deeper look on this blog than it has received.

Background

Before turning to the report itself, a review of the background might be helpful.  The Virginia Constitution directs the General Assembly to “seek to ensure that an educational program of high quality is established and continually maintained.”  The constitution goes on to require that “standards of quality for the several school divisions shall be determined and prescribed from time to time by the Board of Education, subject to revision only by the General Assembly.” Finally, the constitution requires that the funding for the local school systems be shared by the state and the localities. It needs to be noted that the constitution does not define what constitutes “an educational program of high quality” nor does it specify how much of the costs should be borne by the state. Those issues are left up to the General Assembly.

One method of defining the quality of an educational system, and, perhaps, any system, is to look at the system’s outputs. How well have the schools taught the students? What, and how much, have kids learned? With such an approach, the state could use test results to ascertain whether school districts were providing the constitutionally required high quality education. The means a school district used to achieve the results would be up to the division. For example, one requirement could be that XX percent of the students achieve a passing score on a standardized test, with the passing score determined by the state.

The other way of defining high quality would be to focus on the inputs. What do we need to have in place to be reasonably certain the schools would turn out well-educated students?

For better or for worse, Virginia has chosen to define “high quality” education in terms of inputs. The Standards of Quality (SOQ) enacted by the General Assembly in the Code of Virginia set out pupil/teacher ratios, counselor/student ratios, special education teacher/pupil ratios, subjects that must be taught, etc. In effect, the state has said, “This is what needs to be in place to ensure a high-quality educational system.”

Next comes the matter of paying for the high-quality education. The Commonwealth’s policy is laid out in the language of the Appropriation Act. On a statewide basis, the General Assembly has determined that the state will pay 55% of the SOQ costs and the localities 45%. The division of the costs at the individual county or city level will vary according to the locality’s ability to pay. However, the maximum local share is set at 80%.

Finally, there is the need to determine how much it costs to deliver a high-quality education. This is where the JLARC report comes in.

The report

Determining the cost

While considering K-12 funding, it is important to keep in mind that there are two sources of funding for education — the state and the localities. (There is technically a third source, federal funds, but that is a relatively small amount and is not used in JLARC’s analysis.) There are several methods of determining how much needs to be spent to support a high-quality educational system.

The first method would be a comparison of the Commonwealth’s spending with that of other states. On that point, JLARC reports, “Virginia school divisions receive less K-12 funding per student than the 50-state average, the regional average, and three [Kentucky, Maryland, and West Virginia] of Virginia’s five bordering states. School divisions in other states receive 14% more per student than school divisions in Virginia, after normalizing for differences in costs of labor among states.” However, those data tell only how Virginia compares to other states. They do not relate to how much a high-quality education system costs.

Going beyond national and regional averages, JLARC proposes four benchmarks tailored specifically to the Commonwealth:

  • Status quo—the total of what was spent by school divisions from state and local revenues in FY 2021 (the most recent year in which complete data were available at the time of the study);
  • Virginia staffing needs workshop—JLARC convened seven workgroups comprised of teachers, principals, support staff, central office staff, and program directors. Each workgroup was asked to estimate the type and number of staffing and resources needed to operate high-quality schools. Similar workgroups have been used in 11 states;
  • Cost function model—This is an econometric model that predicts K-12 funding needs “using statistical relationships to actual funding, standardized test scores, school division characteristics, and student demographics.” JLARC hired an outside consultant to adapt a nationally recognized econometric model specifically to Virginia. “The final cost function model estimates the funding needed for all school divisions to achieve the 75th percentile on standardized performance tests.” Such models have been used by eight other states recently;
  • Best practices—”JLARC staff reviewed funding recommendations from 31 other states and used recommendations from those states to develop a ‘best practices’ funding benchmark.”

Throughout the report, JLARC compares the SOQ estimates of the total cost to each of the benchmarks listed above. In this article, however, the analysis will be largely limited to an examination of the status quo, for a couple of reasons:

  • It is the most conservative approach; and
  • The other benchmarks involve some level of subjectivity, whereas the status quo benchmark is what was actually spent.

Adequacy of status quo

JLARC reports, “The SOQ formula is intended to calculate the funds needed to provide a high-quality education, but the SOQ total funding is well below actual school expenditures.” [Emphasis added.] That is one of the primary findings of JLARC—instead of funding 55% of the cost of providing a high-quality education, which is the nominal state policy, the state is shortchanging the localities.

The difference between what the funding formula indicated was needed and what was actually spent in FY 2021 was substantial–$66 billion. A likely objection to this comparison would be that some school divisions could be spending more than the minimum needed for a high-quality education. JLARC acknowledges this possibility, but, after analysis, rejects it. “After adjusting for differences in the three major drivers of division costs, only two school divisions spend substantially more than their peers on K-12 education.” Therefore, spending more than is needed “does not appear to be a key reason why SOQ funding is so much lower than actual expenditures.”

There is additional evidence to rebut the contention that school divisions could provide high-quality education within the SOQ requirements but choose to exceed those standards. “Between FY 19 and FY 21, every school division in the state employed more staff than the SOQ formula calculated they needed.” [Emphasis added.]  In FY 17 and FY 18, only one school division (Manassas Park) had fewer personnel than the SOQ formula found necessary. It is highly doubtful that, if the SOQ formula provided enough personnel for a high-quality education, every school division would exceed that number.

Most of the JLARC report is devoted to setting out the details of how the SOQ formula underestimates the actual cost of providing a high-quality education. Rather than go through each of these instances, this article will be limited to only a few examples.

The vast bulk of the SOQ costs are related to personnel. There are two components of personnel costs: 1. How many folks are needed? and 2. What is the cost of each one?

The number of staff needed to comply with the SOQ is not set out in one place. JLARC had to analyze the provisions of the Appropriation Act, the Code of Virginia, and the Administrative Code. Furthermore, the standards vary greatly, based on position. For example, in the category, “general classroom teachers,” one teacher per 24 students in K-3 is required and one per 25 students in 4th grade. From there, it gets more complicated.

After crunching all these numbers, JLARC reports “the SOQ formula calculated that 113,800 FTE staff were needed to perform the various instructional, student support, and administrative functions in the K-12 classroom.” However, in FY 2021, school divisions employed 171,400 staff to perform these responsibilities.  The actual number was 51% higher than the formula calculated was necessary.

To estimate the cost of these personnel, the SOQ formula needs an assumption that reflects the actual costs, or the “prevailing’ costs. To calculate this prevailing cost, instead of relying on statewide averages based on division averages, the SOQ formula employs a method called the “linear weighted average.” This method weights some divisions more than others. (Ironically, the linear weighted average was adopted as a result of a JLARC recommendation several years ago.)

This method results in “underweight[ing] salaries paid by the state’s largest school divisions, even though these divisions employ a majority of K-12 staff and account for a majority of staffing costs. By underweighting these divisions, the stated calculation of prevailing salaries and compensation costs is biased toward costs incurred by smaller divisions.” As a result, “the difference between SOQ calculated compensation costs and actual compensation costs for SOQ recognized staff (excluding health costs) has been about $1.3 billion.”

Incidentally, the use of the linear weighted average is probably the primary factor behind the imbalance in SOQ funding about which officials from Northern Virginia, and commentators on this blog, as well, have long complained. The numbers are big. According to JLARC, “[T]he average very large division (more than 30,000 students) spent about $139 million on compensation for SOQ-funded staff in addition to what was calculated by the SOQ formula.”

This finding by JLARC could lead to a scenario in which state policymakers decide that, notwithstanding it being below national averages, the total spending is sufficient but the state/local proportion needs to be corrected to the 55/45 split envisaged originally. If the Commonwealth funded, on a statewide average, 55% of the actual cost of operating the schools, the amount of funding that localities would be required to provide would decrease significantly. The amount of spending per student would remain the same but the state would be footing a larger share of the cost.

Localities could divert their savings to other unfunded needs or they could reduce taxes. There will undoubtedly be some cynical readers of this blog who will protest that no government, including local governments, will effectively reduce taxes; rather, they will find a way to spend that revenue suddenly freed up by the higher state contribution for education. The answer to that assertion is that local governments will no longer have the state to blame for the higher amount of local revenue they need to dedicate to K-12. Therefore, members of boards of supervisors or city councils will have to justify to their constituents any diversion of the savings rather than reducing taxes. The residents will render their judgment on the choice in the next election.

In summary, even in comparison to the most conservative benchmark, total actual positions and expenditures, the SOQ formula significantly underestimates the cost of providing a high-quality K-12 educational system. The localities have to cover the entire difference in costs.

Ability to pay

As discussed earlier, the local share of the SOQ formula’s estimate of the cost of providing a high-quality education in a school system is based on that locality’s ability to pay. The local share is determined by the “local composite index” (LCI), which uses a locality’s revenue from real estate taxes, sales tax, and other sources as a proportion of the state totals for those sources.

The composite index has come under criticism in the past, primarily on the grounds that the composition of local government revenue is different now than it was 50 years ago when the index was adopted.

Surprisingly (at least to this author), JLARC concluded, “Despite being 50 years old, LCI remains a reasonable measure of local ability to pay.”

Nevertheless, JLARC did recommend that the state adopt a measure of overall revenue capacity because the LCI is limited in how it measures a locality’s ability to pay. Such a measure was developed by the Commission of Local Government many years ago and is updated annually. The Commission is now a unit within the Department of Housing and Community Development.

Recommendations

In addition to numerous recommendations on dealing with technical issues with the SOQ and updating the SOQ to reflect current conditions, there is a major “policy option.”

The report makes a strong case for junking the current method of calculating the SOQ costs. Currently, the Commonwealth uses a staffing-based formula. The formula determines funding needs by first determining the number of staff needed and then the cost of that staff. Virginia is only one of nine states that use such a method for funding K-12.

The alternative used by 34 states is a student-based formula. In such an approach, the state allocates school divisions a specified amount of funding per student. Seven states use hybrids of the staffing-based approach and the student-based approach or some other method.

Following is a greatly simplified outline of how a student-based funding formula would work. The per pupil amounts (PPA) for each division would be calculated using actual expenditures. The prevailing (base) PPA would be the division average. The PPA to be used in the funding formula for each division would be the prevailing PPA adjusted by several factors such as cost of labor and size of division. The estimated cost of a high-quality education (SOQ) in each division would be the adjusted division PPA multiplied by the number of students. Finally, the division of the cost between the state and locality would be determined by the local composite index or by revenue capacity, whichever is adopted. (For a detailed description, see here. The link takes one to the on-line appendices to the report. Appendix N, starting on page 43 lays out the student-funding formula.)

Costs

The JLARC recommendations come with a hefty price tag. Just to adjust the SOQ formula to reflect the state paying its share of actual expenditures would cost approximately $2 billion in state funding. JLARC calculates that switching to a student-based formula would cost the state $1.2 billion.

If funding is an issue (when is it not?), the JLARC report proposes a change in how the SOQ formula is used. Currently, “the SOQ formula’s staffing and funding calculations do not reflect prevailing practice largely because the formula has been altered on a piece-meal basis by prior governors and General Assemblies based on available revenue for the state budget in any given year.”  JLARC recommends that this practice be stopped.

JLARC recommends that, after the SOQ formula is calculated to reflect prevailing practices, “[t]he General Assembly would then determine how much funding is appropriated for the SOQs, using the formula estimate as a guide for what is needed, without making changes to the formula.” This approach would give the General Assembly a “reasonably accurate” estimate of what is needed for a high-quality education system. It could then determine how much to appropriate based on available revenue. One year it might appropriate 40% of the estimate; in another, 50% percent.  One could call it “truth in education funding.”

My Soapbox

The Governor and the General Assembly have missed the boat.

Making major changes in major programs is always difficult. There are often significant costs involved. A lot of staff work and analysis are needed to guide policymakers, and that usually takes a lot of time.

This year the stars were aligned. There is a significant amount of money available to implement any changes. JLARC staff have done a year’s work of analysis. They have collected reams of data, interviewed scores of local, state, and national experts in education funding, and performed numerous analyses of the data. They have built their own version of the SOQ model in order not to be dependent on the Department of Education for testing various models and approaches. They have built a model to determine how a student-based funding formula would work.

Based on the experience of prior years, significant changes in major state programs, such as how to fund K-12, need to be considered and formulated before the General Assembly session.  There is simply not enough time to devote to such issues during the session. Ideally, the study and consideration would be a joint effort of the legislature and the administration.

The General Assembly knew this study was in the works. After all, legislators make up the membership of JLARC. The Governor knew, or should have known, of the impending report. JLARC staff had numerous discussions with the financial staff of the Department of Education, gathering data and working out clarifications of that data. Both the Governor and the legislature knew that there would be significant revenue balances available.

Ideally, the Governor and the legislature could have created a task force, comprised of legislators, local educators, private citizens, and members of the administration, with the task of using the findings and recommendations of JLARC as a starting point for legislation to reform the way the Commonwealth funds K-12. Alternatively, the legislature could have established a special joint committee to take on this task. Similarly, the Governor could have created such a task force. The JLARC staff has conducted the staff work needed and set out some recommendations as a starting point. If any such task force or special committee had been established in May of this year, there would have been enough time to work out legislative proposals. It is now the middle of August and there are much more important priorities looming—elections.

In the administration’s response to the JLARC report, Aimee Guidera, the Secretary of Education and Lisa Coons, the Superintendent of Public Instruction, called the current funding formula “undecipherable” and declared “the need for reforming key elements” of it. They went on to complain that “the current formula contains arbitrary and restrictive provisions” and is “antiquated.” It remains to be seen what the administration will propose to address these shortcomings.

There is one ray of hope. Dr. Coons, the Superintendent, came to Virginia from Tennessee, where she most recently served as chief academic officer for the Tennessee Department of Education. Tennessee is transitioning from a staff-based funding formula to a student-based formula. Perhaps Dr. Coons can use her experience in Tennessee to devise a student-based formula for Virginia for the Governor to include in his proposed 2024-2026 budget. The JLARC report provides her a good base.

As Chris Braunlich, recently-retired president of the Thomas Jefferson Institute for Public Policy, recently asked, “Other states have updated how schools are funded. Why can’t Virginia?”


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48 responses to “JLARC Report: More Than Just “Mo’ Money””

  1. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    Oh look, the deadly third rail of Virginia politics, the composite index. Let’s all touch it during an election year. 🙂 In fairness, Dick, we won’t know what the administration’s reaction is to all this until the full budget is revealed in December. You might be surprised. Or not. This is another situation where the loss of so much institutional knowledge among retiring legislators will be obvious.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      You are right, we won’t know the administration’s reaction until December. However, with the Governor spending so much time on the road campaigning, as he is now and will be doing more of later, there won’t be much time to give serious attention to such major issues.

      My point is that, if Youngkin wanted to make major changes in the funding process, he would have had a much better chance of getting it accepted by the GA if he had started earlier this year in coordination with the legislature. Of course, he would have then had the benefit of a lot of legislative knowledge and experience and the cynic in me says that perhaps he did not want that.

      1. Stephen Haner Avatar
        Stephen Haner

        But the cynic is assuming…Below the surface plenty may be going on. One must also assume the local government lobbying teams, the school board association, VEA and other interest groups are bumping around in the dark. Let’s hang on.

      2. Stephen Haner Avatar
        Stephen Haner

        But the cynic is assuming…Below the surface plenty may be going on. One must also assume the local government lobbying teams, the school board association, VEA and other interest groups are bumping around in the dark. Let’s hang on.

      3. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        His opinion will be the opinion of whomever in the Mansion is working on it. His sound bites on the subject will be whichever 2-second witty that agrees (or doesn’t disagree) most with Trump while separating him from DeSantis, or whoever is closest to him in the polls.

        https://nypost.com/2023/08/13/virginia-gov-glenn-youngkins-recipe-for-success-as-rookie-pol-starts-to-turns-state-around-in-just-18-months/

    2. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      The opportunity to say “It’s not just about Mo Money”…. right at the hands of Youngkin if he wants to make a serious Conservative approach to cost-effective operation. He’s in a position to make serious changes to the Va system.

    3. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      I will assume that JLARC is politically savvy enough to make any change to the LCI result in NoVa paying more.

      Why?

      Because the voters in NoVa who fancy themselves as elites (they are actually much better classified as useful idiots) will continue to elect liberal wackjobs regardless of level of taxation, quality of life, or cost of living.

      It’s less about “soak the rich” than it’s about “soak the stupid” or “soak the socialists”.

      But, as Maggie Thatcher wisely observed – you eventually run out of other people’s money.

      The geniuses Virginians elect and send to Richmond better hope that the Federal government is serious about getting its employees and contractors back into their offices. Because, over time, “work from home” will come to mean “work from anywhere other than NoVa’ for a lot of federal employees and contractors.

      Richmond will have then run out of other people’s money.

  2. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
    f/k/a_tmtfairfax

    North Carolina funded 61.6% of the costs for public school K-12 education according to a 2022 summary. That includes funding for a large number of charter schools. Would local school divisions in Virginia trade more funding for allowing the state to authorize charter schools like which happens in North Carolina?

    Just over 9% of all NC students attend charter schools. The State reports that, in 2022, there were more than 137,500 students enrolled in charter schools. The schools reported waiting lists of 77,000 students. Charter schools are regulated by the State, and many have failed either academically or financially (or both) and have been shut down. There is a standard agreement between the State and each charter school.

    Needless to say, teacher unions and their political supporters oppose charter schools.

    1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      I support teacher unions and I generally support charter schools. I simply oppose ceding my duly elected local representative’s governing control over public schools to a one-size-fits-all central power.

      1. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
        f/k/a_tmtfairfax

        The problem is that local school board members in Virginia, most especially in the larger jurisdictions, get lots of money from teacher unions and prevent the establishment of charter schools to keep their most important constituency happy. The school division central staffs oppose them as well because their power to control charter schools is limited.

        Charter schools are public schools but without the same level of micromanagement from educrats.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          heads up! My understanding is that Spotsylvania County intends to get a Charter School set up!

        2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          Again, through the democratic process if the local school board is actually placing the interests of teachers unions over the interests of their constituents, they will be replaced…. far easier than replacing state-level representatives who are placing the interests of national charter school corporations over those of their constituents.

    2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      I support teacher unions and I generally support charter schools. I simply oppose ceding my duly elected local representative’s governing control over public schools to a one-size-fits-all central power.

    3. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      One might assume, perhaps wrongly, that each Charter school would be funded on a per kid basis… so how would SOME of them “fail” financially? Are they not fully funded by the State?

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Charters in NC are the shining success of failures.

    4. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      I’ve said before and will say it again.. I have zero problems with Charter Schools that specialize in the lower performing, economically disadvantaged kids. If they can do it better than public schools, we should, and they should get substantial funding to do it.

      I just expect accountability for their efforts and like NC, if a Charter school fails to perform, shut it down.

      1. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
        f/k/a_tmtfairfax

        Larry, here is a link to the NC Department of Education’s webpage on charter schools. Lots of information is available.

        https://www.dpi.nc.gov/students-families/alternative-choices/charter-schools

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          Thanks…. have seen this before… almost no information on how a school “fails” financially.
          The only phrase found for funding: ” State and local tax dollars are the primary funding sources for charter schools” I don’t see how such schools can be expected to do their job if they don’t have
          adequate funding. I would expect that aspect to be tantamount to setting up a charter, that it WILL be adequately funded so that it can be held accountable for the academic. A school that is failing “financially” is likely not performing instructionally either… so we have kids who were in Charter schools that “fail” and that means the kids themselves might also be behind academically if the school lacked the funding to pay its academic costs.

  3. Fred Costello Avatar
    Fred Costello

    In 2014, I compared the SAT scores by students in various high schools. The comparison included many possible factors that might affect the scores. You can read the results at:
    1. https://fcta.org/Pubs/Reports/2014-06a-fac.html compares Fairfax County high-school SAT scores
    2. https://fcta.org/Pubs/Reports/2014-08a-fac.html compares Fairfax County to other Virginia high-school SAT scores

  4. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    A very excellent and thoughtful blog post per what Mr. Hall-Sizemore often provides.

    Yes, I expected a reaction from the Gov since he has made schools one of his signature issues and has decried Virginia’s NAEP scores.

    And… for the Parents and Moms for Liberty, etc… where are they on this?

    JLARC did a good job of “T”eeing up the issue.. I did expect more from the Gov, the GA and parents who are now said to be “empowered” on their children’s education.

  5. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    CORRECTION: There is no floor of 20 percent in the local composite index, as I originally wrote. I have made the correction. That is what comes from relying on one’s memory of something learned long ago and not checking on it. The GA removed the floor long ago.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      I love the way they provide the data via Excel instead of PDF so I have to do a conversion to google docs because I do not have excel on my computer:

      But I digress…

      I’ve never seen on the right hand column (Final Composite Index) percent greater than 80%
      https://www.doe.virginia.gov/data-policy-funding/school-finance/budget-grants-management/composite-index-of-local-ability-to-pay#:~:text=The%20Composite%20Index%20is%20calculated,retail%20sales%20(weighted%2010%20percent)

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c6caaae8865f64659e9848daa8add21bf9b4597a21509e602c68d5b16ab82dc0.jpg

      In this case Bath, but if you go down the sheet, you’ not find anything greater than .80.
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c8652dc02df291537293800449c43491a0c5fdf58480676abad8fa394dd7a724.jpg

      1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        That is because there is a cap on the maximum local share. The specific Appropiation Act language is: “A locality whose composite index exceeds 0.8000 shall be considered as having an index of 0.8000 for purposes of distributing all payments based on the composite index of local ability-to-pay.”

  6. Carter Melton Avatar
    Carter Melton

    This whole approach reminds me of my least favorite person, Robert MacNamara, who believed any problem could be solved on an Exel spreadseet and who cost us a humiliating defeat in Viet Nam and damned near broke the Army.

    As long as our classrooms are chaotic dens of violence, and getting shot by a six year old is a workman’s compensation issue, all the money and testing in the world won’t create better schools.

    We need to hold parents accountable for their children’s daily behavior and give our teachers a disciplinary system that supports a learning environment.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Wow, given ExCel was the 2nd generation of spreadsheets and Ashton-Tate released the first in 1979, or so, ol’ Bob was really on top of things.

      I think it was Bob who said of the Cuban missile crisis and the brush up in Turkey related to it, “They’ll lob a few nukes at us, we’ll lob a few back, and cooler heads will prevail.”

  7. The idea of a funding formula in which state money follows the student has much appeal… even more so if it simplifies the formula enough to make it comprehensible to legislators.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      Comprehensible to local elected and parents…..

  8. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    “The Standards of Quality (SOQ) enacted by the General Assembly in the Code of Virginia set out pupil/teacher ratios, counselor/student ratios, special education teacher/pupil ratios, subjects that must be taught, etc.”

    Too many jobs are tied to the SOQs. The blue team will stick together and go to the mat for this one. No major changes will occur here. The wheels on the school funding bus will always be square.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      Every school division has more positions than required by the SOQ. At a minimum, the formula should be updated to reflect what school divisions are actually doing. No jobs would be lost.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        what could be interesting and useful would be a closer look at actual SOQ positions versus non-SOQ positions. What kinds of positions are non-SOQ positions and how do they stack up in numbers and/or percentages on a per school district basis?

        The impression I have gotten is that some of the less-rich districts would choose to not fund certain positions and the state makes such positions SOQ slots so they can be state funding and encourage local match.

        Maybe not Dick’s bailywick per se, but you do good work on things you do take the time to delve into and it’s a core BR content from way back (before the culture war and uber partisan articles).

        This is an area where between JLARC, the Gov and DOE, a new “look” could be taken to see how/why/if the SOQs contribute to the academic qualities of Virginia schools and/or room for improvement.

        As has been pointed out before, no matter how schools get funded, even the better funded large schools, like Fairfax and Henrico have entire elementary schools in economically disadvantaged neighborhoods that perform badly on the SOLs. Despite the district being well-funded carrying many more positions than the SOQ require.

        This is one place where the Fed money sometimes gets involved, if a school is designated Title 1 , it may get additional funding from the Feds for Title 1 positions which are Master Degree reading and math specialists. Just not enough funding for enough of them. Is this something that should dedicate certain SOQ money for from Virginia?

        1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
          Dick Hall-Sizemore

          You raise some good questions. However, the first question is not clear. What is a non-SOQ position? If the SOQ funds 1 teacher for every 25 first-graders and the division has 1 teacher for every 20 first-graders, does that make the “extra” teachers non-SOQ?

          Your other question about the dilemma we have discussed a lot–well off jurisdictions not doing well with economically disadvantaged students is a quandry. Is it a matter of not enough well-trained teachers or not the right kind of teaching? I confess that I don’t know.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            what are the non-SOQ positions that schools hire over and above the required SOQ positions? On the ED kids… I am familiar with how the Feds “Title” programs work… schools that qualify can get additional resources, offen Fed-funded teaching/reading specialists – over and above what the state SOQ provides. So, why doesn’t the state also provide additional “title” resources to schools with higher numbers of economically disadvantaged kids and poorer academic SOLs? My suspects are that the school systems may not be doing that on their own…they’ll take the Feds title money/positions but with no similar state funding for “title” schools… they just fund them similar to other schools in the districts.. they get their share but no supplemental positions. That’s what I hear. A school with ED kids may get one or two Fed Title slots but no such additional funding/slots from the state.

            At any rate, the opportunity to re-look at things like this are presented with reports like the JLARC report, and even what Youngkin refers to on NAEP and his stated commitments to parents on schools. It could be not only a political win-win for Youngkin but a legacy of his leadership.

            Thanks again for your efforts to lay things out, get the landscape and context, and then dig down – on the issues you write about here. Much appreciated.

      2. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
        James Wyatt Whitehead

        SOQs are used to create position control numbers for staffing. This is where most of a district’s funding is consumed. The formula is easy to manipulate to serve institutional interests and still look valid on a spreadsheet.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          When the State gives a pay raise for teachers, it’s only SOQ positions. All non-SOQ positions pay raise has to be funded from local budget, right?

          1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead

            I believe that is accurate Mr. Larry. A local district’s wealth determines how much a school bus driver, cafe worker, teacher assistant, study hall monitor etc is paid. If you are in Loudoun you are paid decent. I knew people who drove over an hour just to be the buzzer person at the security door. Insurance included. Fauquier. Not so much. 14 bucks on hour.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            The State “pay raise” is an issue in Spotsylvania when they do the school budget. They need
            to figure in how much they need to have to pay the same percent raise to their non-SOQ positions.
            You mention a series of positions that are not direct instruction/instructors. So most non-SOQ are not instructor positions? The State SOQs do not, for instance, requires more reading/math instructional positions for some schools (like Title schools with low income demographics)?

  9. walter smith Avatar
    walter smith

    Maybe…just maybe…the problem is the Commonwealth?
    The (one size fits all) “Standards?”
    More money will just lead to more waste.
    Money is not the solution.
    One of the benefits of Covidiocy (and it was Covidiocy) was that it allowed parents to see how bad the schools are. Home schooling, pods, private schools, church schools gained greatly.
    The NAIS approved private schools are not necessarily a panacea – as long as they strive for NAIS accreditation, the virus of Marxism is present.
    Thales Academy is $5300. Church schools are less and so are homes and pods. Freedom needs to be tried.
    Now, can we apply the same logic to the insane wind/green/climate bogus totalitarian “science” that serves only to enrich the grifters at Dominion and in the GA and in the favored inefficient industries?

  10. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    “If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.”

    Henry Ford.

    America has been spending more and more and more on K-12 education (per capita and adjusted for inflation) for decades.

    In fact, the inflation-adjusted per capita spending on K-12 across the US has increased 280% since 1960.

    Meanwhile, the results of K-12 public education in the US have deteriorated and continue to deteriorate.

    Along comes JLARC with another “more money” study accompanied by a recommendation to fund schools by pupil taught rather than employee count.

    Talk about putting lipstick on a pig.

    Everything needs to be rethought.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      So I had a thought. How would Virginia (and public education in general) compare on the scores if we did not count the economically disadvantaged kids)?

      We seem to have a fair number of “high” kids that do go on to College and become “educated” professionals…

      so are we being dragged down on the scores by the low end? Do the “high” kids do well by public school?

    2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      If one considers all the achievements–in science, medicine, industry, etc–that have occurred in the U.S. since the 1960s, it would be difficult to agree that “the results of K-12 public education in the US have deteriorated”.

      1. Lefty665 Avatar

        Maybe the 1/4 of kids or more we’re turning out who are functionally illiterate mark some degree of deterioration?

        We need to do better and teach every kid to read, write and do simple math.

        1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
          Dick Hall-Sizemore

          I agree we need to continue to do better. But, to say that K-12 education has deteriorated since the 1960s is to ignore the obvious. My grandkids take classes that were not available to me when I was in K-12 in the 1960s. Scientists have mapped the human genome. Everyone carries around in his/her pocket more computing power than was available on one’s desk in the 1980s. If K-12 education had been deterioriating, none of that would have occurred.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            If one is using NAEP scores to decide if we are “deteriorating”, one might also be aware that NAEP includes not only public schools, but private and Charter…….

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3f038422ec7ba60c43e2ef15ec1baa1d54689b6851f77a873ccd1381c3f49366.jpg

            https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/dashboards/schools_dashboard.aspx#:~:text=NAEP%20assessments%20are%20administered%20to,4%2C%208%2C%20and%2012.

            what other methods are there to assess public schools academic performance that would show “deterioration”?

          2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
            Dick Hall-Sizemore

            The long term NAEP scores show steady increases since the early 1970’s. https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/ltt/?age=9

            We also use SOL test results, but those were not around in the 60s and 70s.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            these two have some historical and date info:

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standards_of_Learning

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Assessment_of_Educational_Progress

            As far as I know we’d not have a nationwide way to evaluate public schools performance – and compare them if it were not for NAEP.

            States can (and do) have their own standards , like SOLs, but we have no idea how the SOLs compare to other state academic scores , if they are equivalent or use similar standards, etc… it’s the NAEP that pulls all that together in a way to be able to rank the US schools , public, private and charter….

            and I see this:

            https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/test-scores-have-barely-risen-since-1970-despite-245-spending-increase

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/78b4f3f62c507e52967a134e9c8e1b805e3301ecbbea8753b85986b88e39e804.jpg

          4. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
            Dick Hall-Sizemore

            I agree that we need to teach reading differently. I don’t know about math.

            There are two aspects that these comparisons of spending increases and resultant test scores miss. First, we are asking schools to do much more than we did in the 1960s and 70s. When I was in K-12 in the 1960s in Halifax County, there were no school nurses, no school counselors, no assistant principals in elementary schools, no librarians in elementary schools, no ESL teachers, etc. In addition, schools were segregated and the paltry salaries paid to Black teachers and general overall lack of funding for Black schools brought down the per pupil expenditures. I am not as aware of the staffing when my daughter was in school in Henrico in the 1970s, but I am sure there were not as many school counselors, psychologists,etc. as there are today. Finally, special education services have expanded greatly.

            Second are the courses and expenses that don’t register on the NAEP. Schools offer much more that contribute to kids’ learning that don’t add to their NAEP scores. For example, my grandson will be taking courses in photography and visual graphics in the coming school year. High schools now offer a much wider scope of technical training than in the 1970s. Then there is the increase in sports offered, all of which require more staff. For example, students at Halifax County High School can participate in swimming, wrestling, girls’ basketball, softball, and soccer, none of which were available in the 1960s. Finally, there are additional administrative expenses–such as IT. Halifax County schools now employs five IT specialists. Henrico has a Communications Dept. that maintains school websites, electronic newsletters, and the system’s accounts on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter (now X). It also operates a cable TV channel. In the 1970s, parents were dependent on students telling them about what was going on in the schools and their students’ periodic report card.

          5. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            I agree with the points you’re making. No question that over the years public education has added more and more value especially for the kids that do well on reading and writing but we’ve still got significant pockets of economically disadvantaged who need basic help in reading (and other) so that by the 3rd grade they have the basic tools they need to “learn” , reach their potential, take advantage of the other value-added, which they cannot do if they remain not fully functional on reading and math skills.

            The Fed recognize this and provide supplemental funding and Master’s level instructors but not enough of them for some schools with high numbers and so far, neither the State nor the localities seem to want to add more specialists to schools with larger numbers of at-risk kids.

            To me, to have schools like Fairfax and Henrico sending high percentages of their kids to college, at the same time they continue to have entire schools whose kids cannot read and write with problematic aspects to be able to do so by 3rd grade… what are they doing or more to the question, what are they NOT doing that they should and shouldn’t the state be involved also to target such populations – like the Feds do?

            We can do better and we should. We are not the worst in the US by far but we are still down from other states that do better with their at-risk kids than we do.

            This ought not be political. It ought not be used for political purposes. Every Gov has an opportunity to exercise leadership get this better, no matter GOP or Dem or the GA. If the Govt makes it a priority, the GA will follow.

          6. Lefty665 Avatar

            You and I both benefited from our school systems, and they can be good. Then and now my hometown school system in Falls Church is perennially rated at or close to #1 in the state.

            I’m also pretty sure that at the rate knowledge has been increasing that each year since I was about 12 I know a smaller portion of the world’s knowledge.

            There is however a large and growing portion of Virginia’s school kids who are not benefiting as you and I did. Our schools are not even teaching them to read, write and do simple math, not to mention give them an appreciation of the knowledge explosion that is growing around us each day. In addition, overall achievement scores have been falling for years. That means that even measured as average learning our schools have been deteriorating based on the metric of student achievement.

            That is a time bomb for both the affected kids and our society as a whole. While I appreciate the benefits many of us have enjoyed, I cannot let that sweep the monster we are creating under the rug.

            The failure rate in our schools is huge and increasing. That has profound negative consequences for us all. For the most vulnerable among us, and even for average students, yes our schools are deteriorating.

            The substantive question is how do we change that and provide good basic education to everyone, as well as the more fortunate. That cannot happen until we accept that there is a problem and that it needs fixing.

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