Integrity Should Go Both Ways

Susan Beals, Commissioner,
Va. Dept. of Elections

by Dick Hall-Sizemore

Governor Youngkin talks a lot about election integrity.  By that, he obviously means keeping people ineligible to vote from voting.  However, integrity cuts another way, as well.  It means allowing people who are eligible to vote the opportunity to vote.

The governor’s Department of Elections (Elections) seems not to worry too much about that second aspect of election integrity.  Last fall, due to a computer glitch, the agency discovered that it had not processed thousands of new voter registrations completed by the Department of Motor Vehicles and had to scramble to notify local registrars of the eligibility of those folks as early voting was underway.  This year, it is another group of registered voters who have been disenfranchised.

As discovered and reported by VPM, the public broadcasting station in Richmond, an unknown number of folks who have been convicted of felonies, but whose right to vote had been restored by a governor, have been notified that they are no longer qualified to vote because of a conviction of a new felony.  However, they were not convicted of a new felony.  Instead, they had committed a probation violation.  A probation violation is not a felony.  In many cases, the specific act that constitutes a probation violation is not even a crime.  For example, if a probationer misses a meeting with his probation officer or fails to attend treatment sessions, those are probation violations.  When Elections’ cancellation of an individual’s registration due to probation violations was challenged in court, a judge overturned the agency.

The problem arose from the practice of the Department of State Police (DSP) to record a probation violation by a former felon as a felony in the Central Criminal Records Exchange (CCRE).  That probably makes sense for the judicial system because probation violations could count against an individual in a future criminal trial.  However, it is not appropriate for the purposes of registration eligibility.

Last year, Elections updated its computer code so as to identify persons who had had their rights restored and had subsequently committed a new felony.  In December, it triumphantly announced that it had identified 10,558 such individuals.  In its haste to identify folks who were no longer eligible to vote, the agency committed a basic error in computer programming.  It did not thoroughly familiarize itself with its data.  If it had done so, it would have realized that some of those new “felonies” were actually probation violations.

Although a court had ruled in July that probation violations “are not new convictions of felonious crimes disqualifying Petitioner from registering to vote,” Susan Beals, the Commissioner of Elections was still claiming in September that her agency “strictly follows” state law.  After VPM issued its initial report and State Senator Scott Surovell (D-Fairfax) got involved, the agency announced on Oct. 3 that it was working with the DSP to identify those individuals whose registration “was canceled in error.”

DSP is changing what information it is sending to Elections.  “At the request of the Virginia Department of Elections, and after consulting with the Office of the Attorney General, the monthly [Virginia Central Criminal Records Exchange] report no longer contains felony probation violation charges to not inadvertently disqualify individuals whose rights were previously restored by the former Governor,” a spokesman said.

There has been no indication that there was a deliberate effort to unlawfully cancel people’s registrations, nor have accusations been made in this regard.  However, as Sen. Surovell noted, this issue was part of a pattern of mistakes being made by Elections.  “These are the kinds of things that you should game out before you make changes to systems like this that affects people’s constitutional rights,” he said.

These problems with not recording or canceling legitimate voter registrations may not have been deliberate, but they do speak to the level of competence in the Department of Elections.

The first report by VPM is here.  The follow-up is here.


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55 responses to “Integrity Should Go Both Ways”

  1. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Oh dear, another unfortunate, and equally unforeseen, accident. We must try harder.

  2. vicnicholls Avatar
    vicnicholls

    “Governor Youngkin talks a lot about election integrity. By that, he obviously means keeping people ineligible to vote from voting. ”

    I can tell you don’t look at the data. More military have been kept from voting that regular folks who turn in a ballot or go to the polls. There are issues with dead folks. There are issues with clones and duplicates.

    I’m just throwing that out there, because yes, they are making mistakes and yes, they’re not wanting to correct them, but the data doesn’t indicate what you say.

    I’m talking the state data. Not someones’ reports. Data analysis on the data itself. No one has a right to complain – except for military and overseas voters. They have first dibs.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      What is the source for your claim that “more military have been kept from voting that[n] regular folks who turn in a ballot”? What issues with dead folks, clones, duplicates? I agree that you are “just throwing that out there.”

    2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      What is the source for your claim that “more military have been kept from voting that[n] regular folks who turn in a ballot”? What issues with dead folks, clones, duplicates? I agree that you are “just throwing that out there.”

  3. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    “The problem arose from the practice of the Department of State Police (DSP) to record a probation violation by a former felon as a felony in the Central Criminal Records Exchange (CCRE). That probably makes sense for the judicial system because probation violations could count against an individual in a future criminal trial. However, it is not appropriate for the purposes of registration eligibility.”

    Reporting a non-felony as a felony? How does that make sense for anybody?

    The Department of Elections sounds like it has its act together.

    The State Police on the other hand … not so much.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      In the application of sentencing guidelines for sentencing a person convicted of a felony, a person’s past criminal history, including probation violations, is taken into account. I am not familiar with the intricacies of CCRE, but it must have been working well for the judicial system for many years.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        How is money allocated to CCRE, by the time incarcerated, or by the crime charged?

      2. Lefty665 Avatar

        Either that or felons who were screwed because they screwed up conditions of probation do not have much of a voice. Or, maybe they do not have much interest in drawing attention to themselves by making a stink over voting. It may also be that it is a pretty small subset of those who were wrongfully disqualified who tried to vote and were rejected.

        Making the assumption that everything was just hunky dory until Elections screwed up is silly.

      3. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        But probation violations are not felonies and should not be recorded as felonies. Anywhere. That’s the root cause of the problem IMO.

        As for the past – until McAuliffe started restoring rights en masse, I’d guess the matter could be handled manually. When the numbers skyrocketed, some agencies tried to automate the process without adequate testing with actual data.

        The bigger question is why people on parole have their rights restored. Those people have not fully paid their debt to society until they successfully complete probation. Otherwise, why bother with the time and expense of the probation system?

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          What’s the basic rationale for taking away their voting rights in addition to their jail sentence?

          What if we just said we were going to take away other “right” for similar reasons?

  4. walter smith Avatar
    walter smith

    So is it fair to demand we have honest elections?
    Or only fair if your “team” is being hurt?
    Is it OK to wonder about unclean voter rolls? How about unusually high turnout? Is it OK to look into statistical anomalies? How about out of State college kids voting in Virginia? Why was it OK to spend $40 million on fake RUSSIA, but questioning pretty clear wrongdoing in 2020 gets you prosecuted?
    Why would the machine companies refuse to cooperate to assure the voting public that their machines work…accurately?
    Is there an acceptable amount of cheating, or is all cheating bad?

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      Is it OK to unlawfully cancel people’s right to vote? Is it OK to allow thousands duly registered voters’ names fall through the cracks?

      1. walter smith Avatar
        walter smith

        No it is not. Your turn.
        And it seems this could be called a mistake, not intentional. But, no. Cheating is wrong. Your side’s turn.

      2. Matt Adams Avatar
        Matt Adams

        Did you feel the same way when hundreds of thousands of lawful firearm owners were going to be made felons overnight when the BATF changed their minds on “pistol braces”?

        Without Judicial intervention (much like here) unless they turned in something they were legally allowed to own or “register” it and pay a tax, they would’ve been felons. I somehow doubt you were upset by that.

        1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
          Dick Hall-Sizemore

          I don’t recall ever hearing about it and know nothing about it.

          1. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            “Dick Hall-Sizemore 25 minutes ago
            I don’t recall ever hearing about it and know nothing about it.”

            https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2023/04/26/atf-director-dettelbach-congressional-hearing-pistol-brace-rules/11742592002/

            https://www.npr.org/2021/04/07/985097453/biden-expected-to-outline-executive-actions-on-gun-safety

            That’s humorous, given it was a case heard by the the SCOTUS. Perhaps you should broaden your reading and news sources.

            I find it also humorous that your response lacks the curiosity about other individuals losing potentially losing their right to vote.

  5. Mr. Hall-Sizemore,

    If one wishes to pursue all sides of this issue, then additional questions must be asked, and answered.

    Why were felons given amnesty with respect to voting if they had not yet completed their probation? It was my understanding that voter amnesty was given to people who had paid their debt, and shown to be upstanding citizens. If someone hasn’t completed probation, the debt still stands, as evidenced by the fact that prison may still be imposed for failure to adhere to the terms of probation.

    A court may have overturned the agency, but I’m not sure that the issue should be dropped. Has the state appealed?

    I would like to pursue this, but your link to NPR doesn’t work for me. It wants me to sign in.

    Let’s take a hypothetical just to make the point.

    Someone is convicted of Class 1 drug possession and sent to prison, then gets out on probation. During probation, he or she gets voting rights restored. That individual then tests positive for drugs and probation is revoked.

    A. Voter amnesty should not be issued prior to completion of probation.

    B. If voter amnesty has already be given, it should be revoked along with probation.

    I’m not sure the court ruled correctly, and if did, the law should be changed.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      Try this link. https://www.vpm.org/news/2023-10-03/voter-removal-virginia-process-change-vsp-elect?&emci=3abda8dd-2862-ee11-9937-00224832eb73&emdi=ea000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000001&ceid= You may have to be a member of

      VPM to sign in.

      This is the provision of the Va Constituition: “No person who has been convicted of a felony
      shall be qualified to vote unless his civil rights have been restored by the Governor or other appropriate authority.” The constitution provides no limitation on the Governor. Some governors will require that a person complete probation, but the constitution does not mandate that.

      Apparently, the Attorney General agrees that the registrations were cancelled by mistake. Otherwise, I don’t think he would be working with DSP and Elections to change how the data is transmitted to Elections.

      In your example, it would be exceedingly rare for a court to revoke the entirety of a suspended sentence if the offender had not committed a new crime. Typically, the court would revoke a portion of the suspended sentence and require the offender to spend some time in jail. In such a case, he would still be eligible to vote.

      1. So, felons behind bars for serious crimes get absentee ballots? Imagine that. Will the news media be showing us those names and faces? I doubt it.

        If the news media had any integrity, they would report the details on who exactly was pardoned by Terry McAuliffe and how many have since proven by their conduct to be unworthy.

        What crimes have since been committed by those issued pardons?

        Integrity should go both ways you say?

        Indeed, but it doesn’t. The glitch caused by irresponsible pardons from a previous governor gets attention because the news media thinks it will put the current governor in a bad light. Accountability for a Democrat governor isn’t on their radar.

        1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
          Dick Hall-Sizemore

          I responded too hastily. The revised comment is the more likely scenario.

          What was the “glitch” caused by McAulliffe? The Supreme Court would not let me do what he wanted one way, so he found another, legal way to do it. No glitch.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            The irony is that since that time we have other politicians willing to do pardons willy nilly no matter the crime without a whimper from those concerned about McAuliffe’s approach!

          2. The glitch I was referring to was how felonies are reported to various departments. I’m guessing the prospect of felons serving time in prison with voting rights intact was not anticipated when the logic was coded for the report.

          3. “I responded too hastily.”

            I too have had to refresh my memory with respect to how the restoration of voting rights has changed over the last several governors.

            I will not be editing my previous comments, however, as that would possibly make your replies to me less comprehensible.

          4. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
            Dick Hall-Sizemore

            You are right. I should have clarified later on, rather than edited. In my defense, your reply was not visible when I made the changes so I assumed that you had not had a chance to read it.

          5. “You are right. I should have clarified later on…”

            Not at all, I think your edits worked out fine. My comment was not a criticism of you. Seriously.

            I just wanted to acknowledge that in the course of searching and reading I found out some things that I didn’t know when I started commenting.

            Sometimes the written word doesn’t convey my intent.

          1. And?

            Why did you post an inaccurate chart?

          2. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            it’s inaccurate? how?

            My motivation was to show the differences between the states.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            it’s inaccurate? how?

            My motivation was to show the differences between the states.

          4. Much better.

          5. Virginia does not restore felons’ voting rights after they are released from prison.

            The governor may restore them after the person is released from prison if requested.

            A distinct difference.

            And, it is possible to permanently lose one’s right to vote in Virginia.

  6. How about we also talk about what caused the problem in the first place?

    “At the request of the Virginia Department of Elections, and after consulting with the Office of the Attorney General,” Geller said, the monthly Central Criminal Records Exchange report “no longer contains felony probation violation charges to not inadvertently disqualify individuals whose rights were previously restored by the former Governor.”

    https://federalnewsnetwork.com/government-news/2023/10/youngkin-administration-says-unknown-number-of-eligible-voters-were-wrongly-removed-from-rolls/

    I’m thinking that would be none other than Terry McAuliffe. He abused his power as governor in a rather transparent attempt to permanently swing Virginia to a blue state. He tried to pardon about 200,000 felons at once.

    Remember this?

    “We answer this question against the backdrop of history. Never before have any of the prior 71 Virginia Governors issued a clemency order of any kind — including pardons, reprieves, commutations, and restoration orders — to a class of unnamed felons without regard for the nature of the crimes or any other individual circumstances relevant to the request. To be
    sure, no Governor of this Commonwealth, until now, has even suggested that such a power exists. And the only Governors who have seriously considered the question concluded that no
    such power exists.”

    CHIEF JUSTICE DONALD W. LEMONS
    July 22, 2016

    https://www.courts.state.va.us/opinions/opnscvwp/1160784.pdf

    McAuliffe’s attempt was struck down 4-3 by the Virginia Supreme Court. He then went back and issued “individual” pardons with the same lack of concern for who exactly was being pardoned.

    That’s how we got here.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      I am familiar with that history. Of course, some of those 10,000+ identified by Elections could well have had their voting rights restored by McDonnell. Are you suggesting that someone, having his voting rights restored upon release from prison, who may tested positive for alcohol, which is not illegal but was a violation of his conditions of parole, should be prevented from being able to vote, although he had not committed any new crime?

    2. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      Do you know where the law to deprive felons of the vote came from originally?

      1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        Many Virginia historians link it to a desire to deny Blacks the vote. https://vig.coopercenter.org/sites/vig/files/VirginiaNewsLetter_2015_V91-N1.pdf

        1. Matt Adams Avatar
          Matt Adams

          Implying that people are merely racist is a weak argument.

          It’s also a “bandwagon fallacy” and not logic or reason.

    3. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      I am familiar with that history. Of course, some of those 10,000+ identified by Elections could well have had their voting rights restored by McDonnell. Are you suggesting that someone, having his voting rights restored upon release from prison, who may tested positive for alcohol, which is not illegal but was a violation of his conditions of parole, should be prevented from being able to vote, although he had not committed any new crime?

      1. In my view, a person has not paid his debt to society until prison and/or probation is complete. No voting rights should be restored until then. Do felons get their gun rights back prior to completion of probation? I think not.

        As I have previously stated, voting rights and the right to bear arms should be treated similarly.

        The pardon records of all governors along with the track record of crimes committed after a pardon should be publicly accessible. How else can we asses abuse of the pardon power by governors?

        1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
          Dick Hall-Sizemore

          Your problem is that you are not the governor. Each governor can use whatever criteria. The data you seek is accessible, but just not in one place. It would take some digging to get it.

          1. “Your problem is that you are not the governor.”

            Not yet. 🙂

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Not likely ever.

        2. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          “Published 2:27 PM EDT, June 30, 2023
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          JACKSON, Miss. (AP) — The U.S. Supreme Court said Friday that it will not stop Mississippi from removing voting rights from people convicted of certain felonies — a practice that originated in the Jim Crow era with the intent of stopping Black men from influencing elections.

          The court declined to reconsider a 2022 decision by the conservative 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals that said Mississippi had remedied the discriminatory intent of the original provisions in the state constitution by altering the list of disenfranchising crimes.

          In a dissent Friday, Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson wrote that the authors of the Mississippi Constitution in 1890 made clear that they intended to exclude Black people by removing voting rights for felony convictions in crimes they thought Black people were more likely to commit, including forgery, arson and bigamy.”

          https://apnews.com/article/mississippi-voting-felony-supreme-court-jim-crow-224aa2ccd441b8bd7c0828398234e7e6

          1. Gun control laws have a similar history. Should all gun restrictions be immediately abolished too?

            I believe there is a current societal benefit to restricting some rights from those who have committed serious crimes.

            In my view, gun rights and voting rights should be treated similarly with respect to past felonies.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            what is the “societal benefit” to preventing felons from voting?

          3. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            That you understand that living in a “democracy” is something to be cherished, and that by committing felony crimes, you have violated that trust?
            That was thought to be sane until Dems started figuring out all the different ways to cheat…

          4. We’re getting far afield, but if you are interested.

            Should Felons Regain the Right to Vote?

            Pro & Con Arguments

            https://felonvoting.procon.org/

          5. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            yes… thanks.. I have read several “pro”/”cons”. So if someone is convicted of a felony, he can’t vote but he can still be POTUS?

          6. Good for them. The supreme court deciding to stay out of state-level issues is good news for everyone.

          7. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            actually……….. ” Ramirez, 418 U.S. 24 (1974), was a landmark decision by the Supreme Court of the United States in which the Court held, 6–3, that convicted felons could be barred from voting without violating the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution. Such felony disenfranchisement is practiced in a number of states.”

          8. Thank you for providing another example of the supreme court leaving the issue to the states.

          9. Not Today Avatar
            Not Today

            SCOTUS declining to remedy state-level racism is a national shame.

  7. So is it the Election Board or State Police which made the. Mistake?
    “The problem arose from the practice of the Department of State Police (DSP) to record a probation violation by a former felon as a felony in the Central Criminal Records Exchange (CCRE). “

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