How’s Your Climate Emergency Going? Hanging In?

by Steve Haner

How is your climate emergency going so far? We seem to be hanging in well at my house.

The media hype around this fairly typical July hot spell has been off the charts, but my favorite headline of the season appeared in the Richmond Times-Dispatch (home of at least one climate jeremiad per day) weeks ago: “Extreme weather hits every U.S. region and won’t let up.” Such an honest example of the game being played demands recognition.

Fifty years ago I experienced my first 101-degree day in this part of Virginia and discovered that 101 degrees on the Mojave or even the Sahara Desert of my childhood was a very different thing than 101 degrees on a sidewalk in Colonial Heights. Humidity matters. So far, despite all the hype, that 1972 day has not been equaled yet this summer. There is still time.

Younger people not approaching my almost 70 summers probably do believe they are suffering through something extraordinary, but I just see the national, state and local media demonstrating their mad desire for audience and their lack of even basic understanding of reality. Even Fox Weather the other day had a bubblehead announcer state that the heat in France had “sparked” fires near Bordeaux.

It was hot and dry, but hot and dry doesn’t “spark” anything. As with the recent Yosemite fire (notice how that dropped out of the news when no Sequoia exploded on camera?) most fires are started by careless or criminal people. And the reports of hot and dry weather in Bordeaux have me eager for the 2022 vintages in a few years. We were there in a hot and dry 2015. You see a ’15 Bordeaux, grab it.

There is no climate emergency. There is no emergency in Richmond, or France, or Texas. It might be hotter-than-average, but within recent parameters, so it is weather. Weather is not climate. Climate is measured on 30-year data increments, and there probably has not been a 30-year span in the history of the planet that didn’t demonstrate “climate change” of some kind. Ironically, my first very hot and humid day in Central Virginia was during a period when the overall ground temperature trend really was cooling.

What is going on is a push to convince people to accept the destruction of our modern energy economy. They want us to meekly accept heat pumps instead of gas or oil furnaces, variable offshore wind instead of reliable natural gas generation, and electric vehicles that must be charged six hours to run 200 miles rather than cars you can fill in three minutes and run for 500 miles. Let’s hope they never measure the emissions from a tandoori oven.

Billions of dollars are riding on this forced transition to all-electric, and the people passing out the bucks to the propaganda specialists expect a big return on investment. As I’ve mentioned before, when Dominion Energy Virginia is charging 22 cents a kilowatt hour and natural gas is $10 per hundred cubic feet, the rich can pay for it. Others will discover energy poverty.

We are witnessing (and directly suffering from) the world’s first solar and wind energy war. President Biden is correct that the high price of fuel is largely a result of that war, but he doesn’t mention the “how.” The “how” is the European vulnerability its own political poseurs imposed, pretending to run their economies on wind and solar when in reality they were paying Putin the Merciless for massive amounts of gas, oil and coal. The “how” is the U.S. under Biden getting on the same mistaken path.

Pay very close attention to this coming winter in Europe. You will see our future.

The Sierra Club’s Ivy Main was writing for Virginia Mercury the other day, claiming the solution is more wind and solar. That is exactly wrong.  If the U.S. had a rational energy policy and was producing enough fossil fuels for our own use and then for export, Putin would never have moved his tanks. It wasn’t weakness in Afghanistan, but Green New Deal insanity that emboldened and enriched him (and continues to pay his troops). Biden is reduced to licking the boots of a murderous Arab dressed in a sheet, begging for oil so he can keep stifling U.S. production.

But Main, just like climate propagandist Sean Sublette at the Times-Dispatch, and just like that unnamed weather dolt at Fox News, are all part of the same (quite brilliant and omnipresent) messaging machine. The one that constantly repeats that heat kills more people than any other weather event, when the truth is that cold kills more by several factors. (And the real untold story behind that claim is how deaths from floods, fire and famine have plummeted in our modern fossil-fueled economy with early warnings and mitigations.)

At this moment of typing, at the peak of Saturday’s sunny heat, the PJM Interconnect website (really cool, check it out) reports 132,500 megawatts of demand through all its states, less than 3,000 of it from solar and less than 5,000 of it from wind turbines.  If you want to be this comfortable on a day like this at a reasonable price ten years from now, you’d better pray those numbers change only a bit. Coal and gas are providing almost 65% of the load today. Take them fully away, and the AC really will turn off at the worst possible times.


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73 responses to “How’s Your Climate Emergency Going? Hanging In?”

  1. The PJM numbers tonight will be even better for coal and gas. Guaranteed no solar and heat waves come with little wind. Demand will be down a bit but the ACs will run all night. And this will be true ten years from now.

  2. Wind and solar are not power supply technologies, just emission reduction technologies. You still have to have reliable thermal sources that can meet 100% of need, when needed. You just don’t run them as much when the wind is strong or the sun bright.

    This is very expensive, but if you are dead set on reducing emissions because of the ridiculous climate emergency scare, wind and solar dutifully do their job. Just don’t run out of gas and coal as you will still need a lot. Ask Europe about that.

  3. This was a lot of personal anecdotes with misleading “evidences.”

    Cold Weather Kills More than Warm: Okay, but we’re discussing not just warming climate, but more energy in the system leading to more disasters.

    Okay, but we’re better at avoiding dangerous weather, right? But…there’s still more dangerous weather happening which is still a bad thing (Source: https://public.wmo.int/en/media/press-release/weather-related-disasters-increase-over-past-50-years-causing-more-damage-fewer). Also, I guess sucks to be you if you live in a developing country lacking these more modern safety measures. Not to mention other consequences such as changes to ecosystems and our food and water supplies that will be slower and less sudden problems.

    We’re looking for trends, not “Oh it was 102° 50 years ago so I guess this is a hoax.” VA has had an average of over a degree of warming, which seems small but we’re working on long-term trends not specific dates in a year (Source: https://19january2017snapshot.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2016-09/documents/climate-change-va.pdf). A degree or two of warming can lead to heat waves like this being five degrees warming than in the past, to give you an idea of what “just a degree” really means.

    So what is more likely: a conspiracy by climate scientists to switch us to Teslas and windmills, or a trillion-dollar industry using its massive wealth to suppress, muddy, and limit the influence of any data suggesting the industry is damaging the long-term sustainability and environment of our planet? Especially given many oil executives are older and have little incentive to care about the state of the world 50 years from now. I guess that’s for us to deal with.

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      How, exactly, do you propose to power a modern economy? Provide fertilizer, steel, asphalt, cement? Take your time? Tough questions if you are a serious person.

    2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      How, exactly, do you propose to power a modern economy? Provide fertilizer, steel, asphalt, cement? Take your time? Tough questions if you are a serious person.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Industrial carbon capture and green hydrogen is already happening.

    3. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Wind and solar are trillion dollar industries. And (censored) you and the horse you rode in on for asserting people like me aren’t thinking about our grandchildren. That’s the classic leftist ad hominem nastiness, and I will always call it out.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        I think the fact that you don’t seem to have even the tiniest bit of doubt is a big “tell”.

  4. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    Monkey Pox bumped the climate emergency out of the lede for NBC Nightly a moment ago, but next was a new forest fire (now called wild fires after focus group studies) near Yosemite, followed by the brutal, deadly heatwave. Two out of three ain’t bad. Can we blame the Monkey Pox on the weather yet?

    1. The study blaming monkey pox on climate change is likely already in press.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Oh, probably not before the anti-vaxxers get involved……..

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          And, they consider a college education to be Liberal indoctrination for a very good reason. They voted, and will again, for Trump — proving it true that you can’t fix stupid.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            boy the advent of the internet sure fooled a bunch of us who thought it would expand knowledge and reduce ignorance…..

            instead it’s become a mega mouthpiece for ignorati and their offspring….

            geeze.

      2. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Human expansion without doubt, a few degrees of average warming, maybe not so much.

        New viruses are being encountered in the tropics as we push into the jungles and spend more time with the flora and fauna there.

        But, if we start encountering new viruses in the extreme latitudes where permafrosts are melting, then maybe a closer look is in order.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          well, depending on how it plays out if the climate deniers and anti-vaxxers convert each other to one movement.. potential…

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      I will be curious if Monkey Pox ever infects any in our generation, rather those of us vaccinated against Small Pox. If I recall, there were studies that we are still yet protected from the latter by our vaccines, and possibly from the former because it is a similar virus.

  5. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    I have little patience with folks in Virginia complaining about the heat this summer. I grew up in Southside Virginia. We had hot, humid summers. We did not have air conditioning in our homes or schools. The only regular source of air conditioning when I was in high school was at the small grocery store in which I worked during the summer and after school. My college dorm did not have air conditioning and many of the classrooms did not have AC.

    However, although we can put the current conditions down to weather, there is something longer term going on. The western part of the United States is drying up. The Colorado River basin is in its 23rd year of a “historic” drought. Lakes Mead and Powell, the largest reservoirs in the country “are at historically low levels with a combined storage capacity of 28 percent of capacity.” https://www.doi.gov/ocl/western-us-drought-0

    1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
      James Wyatt Whitehead

      Grandma’s old school sleeping porch was better than camping. No bugs! Many good memories.
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6866e0b326f48681dc6904ec0c8d83cc6e25f849d31b62a1a15045679a722a7f.jpg

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        where are the prince edward cans?

    2. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      If you look at the long term history of that region, drought is common. The 1930s were as dry or dryer. And now we’ve got millions more people and thousands more farms depending on those rivers and reservoirs. You can’t claim CO2 is the problem and removing that brings the rain. I keep hearing the word “historic” in relation to this hot spell, and that is ridiculous.

      1. YellowstoneBound1948 Avatar
        YellowstoneBound1948

        The Ogallala Aquifer that waters the Nation’s Great Plains breadbasket is very low, whatever the reason. I think this poses more risk than the shrinking Colorado River. I collect stamps, so I am familiar with the National Parks issue of 1937. The 9-cent stamp depicts Glacier National Park covered in glaciers. That same view now is nothing but rock. “Exhibit A,” perhaps, in some future litigation?

        1. Stephen Haner Avatar
          Stephen Haner

          Well, bring better evidence than a stamp. In the recent (geologically recent) past, the hemisphere was covered with glaciers. Your ICE vehicle didn’t melt them. And in the past, the poles were ice free. The climate….changes.

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            In your lifetime, Haner…?

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            That’s not fair. The fact that it’s the frog’s grandchildren that boil is not part of the analogy. Or, by that time, evolution will have changed the frog enough to handle the heat.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Haner is 100% apparently, not even a small risk … he’s betting the whole shebang and if he’s wrong he won’t be around for his grand kids to blame. Hard to be that sure….

      2. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Bristle cone pine. When they’re gone, then you’ll know that the common drought for that area is finally uncommon.

  6. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    This was intended to be a lighthearted rant and ribbing of he media’s nonsense messaging. You know they are just waiting for the first real Atlantic hurricane so they can go down that road, too. So far, pretty quiet on that front. No storm = normal weather pattern. One storm = climate emergency.

    Yes, the surface temp is in warming trend. Yes, CO2 and other GHG contribute to that so some (unmeasurable) extent, but this is hardly the first warming trend. The RTD alarmist messaging also focuses on the urban heat islands in the city, and they are dead on correct that those areas need more trees and less asphalt and concrete. Do it. But the overall climate trendlines show slow change, time for adjustment. If lowering CO2 is your goal, the steps are 1) replace coal with NG and 2) go nuclear. The wind and solar industrial complex is instead selling a disastrous alternative.

  7. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    10,000-year history of environmental destruction, and we can’t do it to the atmosphere?

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Sure, and you haven’t seen me complaining about any efforts to remove real pollutants, which is why I’m all for retiring coal as rapidly as possible. CO2 is not pollution.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        I didn’t realize it was that basic with you. You just don’t believe CO2 is a greenhouse gas; that it doesn’t affect atmospheric temperature.

      2. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        I didn’t realize it was that basic with you. You just don’t believe CO2 is a greenhouse gas; that it doesn’t affect atmospheric temperature.

        1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          I think you hit the nail on the head! Does Haner see an issue with methane emissions?… I know there are fart jokes on the way, btw…

          1. Stephen Haner Avatar
            Stephen Haner

            Water vapor is a greenhouse gas, the most powerful one. It has a huge effect on the surface temp. Is it pollution? Don’t make up stuff I never said — that’s Larry’s trick. GHG does not = pollution.

          2. That’s right, water vapor is the most abundant and influential greenhouse gas of all. We need to mandate zero water emissions… on everything.

          3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            https://climate.nasa.gov/ask-nasa-climate/3143/steamy-relationships-how-atmospheric-water-vapor-supercharges-earths-greenhouse-effect/

            A little reality for you… at least try to do some honest investigation before you post… smh…

          4. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            They do not believe NASA or NOAA… just mainly
            Watts Up With That?
            https://wattsupwiththat.com

          5. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            See link I provide JAB below. Water vapor is a GHG but is not pollution… methane and other GHGs are…

          6. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            sorta like “ozone” and relationship to UV rays ….. what the science is –

            some of the same climate deniers are also ozone hole deniers… I mean how in the world can human beings screw up the atmosphere, or oceans, right? Almost childlike belief system.

  8. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    “If the U.S. had a rational energy policy and was producing enough fossil fuels for our own use and then for export, Putin would never had moved his tanks. It wasn’t weakness in Afghanistan, but Green New Deal insanity that emboldened and enriched him (and continues to pay his troops.) Biden is reduced to licking the boots of a murderous Arab dressed in a sheet, begging for oil so he can keep stifling U.S. production.”

    Hold on there. Europe imports about 18.3 billion cubic feet per day (bcfd) from Russia. The United States currently can export about 9.8 bcfd as LNG. It will take two years or more to add to that export facility capacity. The bottleneck is at the ports not the production fields. Don’t believe me, take a look at this chart…

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9eae229d2be3d46437bb6582a053e8eca830aa25237d315cc92f4e86e26cffd3.jpg

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      don’t be bringing up facts and realities , it’s a real buzzkiller for the skeptics and deniers.

      1. Stephen Haner Avatar
        Stephen Haner

        The missing part of your equation, Sir Troll, is that Europe also has its own assets it refuses to exploit, including enough gas to end imports. Yes, it took years to get in this fix and it won’t end quickly. Germany does seem to be edging closer to keeping its remaining nukes operating.

        Climate deniers. Election deniers. Vaccine deniers. Anybody see a pattern in the piss-poor arguments? In Larry’s resort to dismissive ad hominem? As to skeptic, that was a big part of my W&M (versus UVA) education. I disagree with many on the right about the election and the vaccines, but to dismiss them as “deniers” is just lazy, and really a disappointment when the media goes there.

        Have an email argument underway right now with somebody who liked my offshore wind piece, then sent me a bunch of anti-vax and pro-Ivermectin nonsense. His credibility with me went away fast.

        1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          What I am saying, Haner, is perhaps you should step away from your attempts to lay the blame for European NG prices on Biden supposedly “stifling U.S. production”. The facts do not support such a connection.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            standard conservative narratives these days. Fling it on the wall.. see if it sticks… rinse, repeat…

    1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      Don’t you already spam that garbage enough, JAB? Not enough clicks for your advertisers, eh?

  9. William O'Keefe Avatar
    William O’Keefe

    Here is the satellite record since 1979. https://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_June_2022_v6.jpg. Summers are hot and the tropics are cooler.

  10. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    This was intended to be a lighthearted rant and ribbing of he media’s nonsense messaging. You know they are just waiting for the first real Atlantic hurricane so they can go down that road, too. So far, pretty quiet on that front. No storm = normal weather pattern. One storm = climate emergency.

    Yes, the surface temp is in warming trend. Yes, CO2 and other GHG contribute to that so some (unmeasurable) extent, but this is hardly the first warming trend. The RTD alarmist messaging also focuses on the urban heat islands in the city, and they are dead on correct that those areas need more trees and less asphalt and concrete. Do it. But the overall climate trendlines show slow change, time for adjustment. If lowering CO2 is your goal, the steps are 1) replace coal with NG and 2) go nuclear. Hydrogen remains a pipedream, but worth exploring. The wind and solar industrial complex is instead selling a disastrous alternative.

    1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      “If lowering CO2 is your goal, the steps are 1) replace coal with NG and 2) go nuclear.”

      Clearly not the only alternatives. Hydrogen is way less of a pipe dream than you think, btw.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        I’m all in – in favor of Nukes and Hydrogen and more and I have confidence we WILL get there at some point.

        Sherlocks point about fertilizer , industrial, and even how large ships move and how we power islands that currently use diesel fuel is all involved.

        And Haner is right about the difference between climate and weather but he’s still in denial about things going on worldwide , far more extreme and far longer than before. It’s amazing to me how hard he works at continuing to deny.

        And we cannot really move any faster as long as we have the skeptics and deniers standing in the way, we are hostage to them until more bad stuff happens and more of them realize how wrong they are.

      2. Merchantseamen Avatar
        Merchantseamen

        I usually do not agree with The half troll. However yes NG and nuclear. Technologies have changed tremendously in the last 40 years. I am a beleiver in hydrogen as a fuel. Now for Diesels. Diesel developed his first prototype diesel that ran on peanut oil. Currently the Germans are working on an algae or fungi that can be used in diesels. We all know about deep fryer oils. If you let the free market run with alternate sources of energy it will come to fruition. It will not come about with the heavy hand of government.

  11. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    What a coincidence! My daughter is touring the South of France. She had to wear a facemask because of all the smoke fro wildfires. Since there is little air conditioning, she has to take several showers every day. She suffers from heat rash. I am sure she would find this blog post very interesting. I will save it for her.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      Haner claims that Europe has always been hot as hell but now we’re mixing it up with “climate”.

      Makes you wonder why most of Europe does not have air conditioning. Have they been stupid and sweaty for decades?

      Oh and the Greenland and Antarctica ice melt – yet another “normal” thing that liberals are turning into fear porn…right?

      The deniers are like the Doc telling someone they’re gonna die if they don’t change except in this case, they take everyone else with them!

    2. walter smith Avatar
      walter smith

      That is merely anecdotal and not to be counted as worthy of any value whatsoever until a double blind randomized clinical trial has been performed and approved by our governmental overlords (just applying Covid suspension of disbelief standards back).

    3. WayneS Avatar

      That sounds terrible. Where in the south of France is she?

      I watched the Formula 1 French Grand Prix this weekend, including practice on Friday, qualifying Saturday and the race on Sunday. They were at Circuit Paul Ricard, which is about 50 km east-southeast of Marseille. The closest town is Le Castelle, Var, I think.

      The track is about 20 km from the coast, and they had blue skies and sunshine the whole weekend.

  12. Rafaelo Avatar

    “Everybody talks about the weather. But nobody does anything about it.” –Old New Yorker cartoon caption

    Well written article. I gather either climate change isn’t man-made, or it is.

    If it isn’t, nothing we can do.

    If it is, nothing we will do.

    Its about money you see. So was slavery. And see what it took to fix that?

    So if the ocean reaches up and grabs your beach house, build another. Let your kids worry about it.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNeud8OCSZk

  13. Here’s one of the things I find so absurd about the offshore wind debate. The environmentalists who favor offshore wind believe that anthropogenic global warming is leading to more extreme and more frequent weather events, including hurricanes. If they truly believe that, then it defies logic to push for wind farms in a location where they inevitably will be hit by a hurricane — and not just any old hurricane but potentially a super-hurricane.

    Finder.com ranks Virginia as the 10th most likely of the states to get hit by a hurricane. Nothing like Texas, Florida, Louisiana or North Carolina, but high enough on the list to reasonably expect a major hurricane every decade or two.

    You’d think there might be some cognitive dissonance here… More hurricanes, worse hurricanes, wind farms on a coast that periodically gets battered by hurricanes. But no.

    Solar has its drawbacks. But at least if we have an extreme weather event like a blizzard, six feet of snow won’t destroy the solar panels.

    1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      As I indicated on a prior thread, we have never seen a Cat 5 make landfall in the US and the design engineers are taking such events into consideration. I will tell you this, if a Cat. 5 storm actually makes landfall in a populated part of the mid-atlantic, damage to windmills will be the least of our concerns.

      1. WayneS Avatar

        According to this, three Cat 5 storms made landfall (as Cat 5s) in 2018:

        https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Ten-Category-5-Storms-2018-2nd-Most-Record

        1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          I should have been more specific (and I was on the earlier thread). No historic Cat 5 has made landfall on the mid-atlantic mainland as a Cat.5… as far as I can tell… I was really surprised by this and I don’t claim to have exhausted all sources. If I am wrong, I really would like to know which storm. I don’t mean to minimize the risk but surely this is being evaluated in any engineering or financial risk assessment.

          Aside: Engineers don’t always understand the difference between minimizing or minimal risk and eliminating or no risk. Risk matrices need to evaluate both the risk of an event and the consequences of such an event. This may be a low risk event but clearly the consequences are very high so it needs to be included in the design and not ignored…

          1. WayneS Avatar

            With your stated caveats, you are correct.

            Every engineer should know that it is impossible to eliminate risk, and I think the overwhelming majority do know this. In my opinion, anyone who does not should refrain from calling themselves an engineer..

            Risk reduction involves establishing a maximum acceptable level of risk, and then using probability and statistics to design to that risk level. The difficulty and the disagreements occur over how/where to set the acceptable level of risk.

            One person’s ‘acceptable risk level’ might be another person’s ‘invitation to unmitigated disaster’.

        2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          I should have been more specific (and I was on the earlier thread). No historic Cat 5 has made landfall on the mid-atlantic mainland as a Cat.5… as far as I can tell… I was really surprised by this and I don’t claim to have exhausted all sources. If I am wrong, I really would like to know which storm. I don’t mean to minimize the risk but surely this is being evaluated in any engineering or financial risk assessment.

          Aside: Engineers don’t always understand the difference between minimizing or minimal risk and eliminating or no risk. Risk matrices need to evaluate both the risk of an event and the consequences of such an event. This may be a low risk event but clearly the consequences are very high so it needs to be included in the design and not ignored…

    2. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      A LOT of infrastructure, ports, tunnels, bridges, ships, is also susceptible but you don’t not build them because of that and at the same time you try to design them to withstand the most likely scenarios.

      what is it about Conservatives and deniers that they can’t deal with simple realities – that we have already done for decades when it comes to building infrastructure to withstand expected conditions?

      And what is it about Conservatives where they oppose something that provides less costly fuel because it can’t do that 24/7?

      You turn down less costly fuel when it IS available and still choose more expensive fuels?

      what kind of sense does that make?

    3. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
      energyNOW_Fan

      Hint- Hatred of US fossil fuels companies, intolerance of that industry, for perceived crimes against humanity, is a big part if US liberal motivation. They will not tolerate fossil fuels, period. Repubs are “all of the above” (flexible) so why not be civil and allow Dems to live in a society without fossil fuels?

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        re: ” Repubs are “all of the above” (flexible)”

        do you read this blog much? 😉

        or are you differentiating between Repubs and the Conservatives here?

        No one “hates” fossil fuels at all but why do folks on the right “hate” renewables even if they can deliver lower cost fuel and reduce the use of fossil fuels?

    4. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      You’d think that building the CBBT was a huge mistake because of the vulnerability of the Bay to hurricanes, right?

      Do you know to what CAT level the CBBT was built to withstand?

      If not to a CAT 5 would you say a terrible mistake was made?

      (Cat 2 is the answer)

      http://www.roadstothefuture.com/VASCE-History/VASCE-CBBT.htm

    5. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      You’d think that building the CBBT was a huge mistake because of the vulnerability of the Bay to hurricanes, right?

      Do you know to what CAT level the CBBT was built to withstand?

      If not to a CAT 5 would you say a terrible mistake was made?

      (Cat 2 is the answer)

      http://www.roadstothefuture.com/VASCE-History/VASCE-CBBT.htm

  14. walter smith Avatar
    walter smith

    The AGW/Climate Change people are the same people who insist trans men (or is it trans women) need menstrual products and can have babies and that America is systemically racist and we must engage in affirmative racism to end racism.
    Those Covid models that worked so well are to be believed for predicting weather 100 years out (and even that may be too short of a measurement).

    I have a hint – we can’t control the weather. And we don’t fully understand every single variable, so the models are things that should be flushed down the toilet as solid waste.

    Meanwhile, Troll and Larry the SCIENCE! Guy tell us that the oil prices aren’t the oil prices, and other Lefties defend the Soros prosecutors while societal disfunction and economic collapse abounds, but don’t believe your eyes and pocket book and trust us so-called “smart” people whose only problem is our theories don’t work, so let’s do our God-less theories harder!

  15. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
    energyNOW_Fan

    We now have a Ecobee “smart” thermostat which reports to me our house used quite a bit less A/C electric in June vs. last year. Too early for July comparison, but I suspect we have been lucky so far. For example, yesterday we had 95 but then a storm front came thru to cool things off. But of course, our local area is not necessarily representative of the planet.

    I like the Ecobee because we can control from anywhere. Also can set to both heat (when cold) and cool (when hot). In the Spring and Fall there are times when it is freezing outside one day, then 90 the next. If you are away from home, it is otherwise sometimes hard to keep the house in a safe zone (for pet fish etc).

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      Love the ecobee.. especially when we are away… and coming back.

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    Fred Costello

    Some of the difficulties in calculating the average earth temperature are described at https://www.researchgate.net/post/Is-it-misleading-to-report-the-average-temperature-of-Earth. Heat-flux sensors on satellites can measure the energy emitted from the earth. These sensors would give a better average earth temperature because they average over large areas. I have worked with the satellite data and have deduced the earth temperature. The spatial and temporal variations are great, so the uncertainty is also great. Researchers should report not only the mean but the uncertainty (e.g., 95% confidence limits). For example, I have not seen any theoretical model that accounts for the cooling from 1940 to 1980. We are spending much money and subjecting people to much hardship based on theoretical models that have parameters that are subject to much uncertainty.

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    Fred Costello

    Clouds have a far greater effect on climate than do green-house gases because they reflect the sunlight back into space. We should be working on generating clouds. Some work was done along these lines about 50 years ago in an attempt to bring rain to drought areas.

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