Fixing the Outcome by Fixing the Rules?

by James A. Bacon

What are the rules of the game in the state’s investigation of racism at the Virginia Military Institute?

That question is now front and center, as has been revealed in an interim report released by Barnes & Thornburg, the law firm selected to pursue the investigation. Investigators have been sparring over whether VMI’s lawyers should be allowed to be present when investigators are questioning cadets, faculty and staff. 

The stakes are huge. Barnes & Thornburg will gather evidence, present its conclusions, and make recommendations with the potential to transform the culture of the military academy. The outcome of the investigation is potentially a matter of life and death, institutionally speaking, for the military academy. 

VMI has every reason to regard the investigation as an adversarial proceeding. The inquiry arose from a series of Washington Post articles alleging “relentless racism” at the military academy. Governor Ralph Northam then expressed his “deep concerns about the clear and appalling culture of ongoing structural racism.” Structural racism, not alleged structural racism. Then, when selecting a firm to conduct the investigation into VMI, the administration picked a Washington, D.C., law firm that publicly proclaims its commitment to combating racism and “the larger social forces” responsible for it.

Central to the inquiry, Barnes & Thornburg is interviewing cadets, faculty members and administrative staff. It is entirely legitimate for investigators to seek protections for people stepping forward with information. Indeed, the VMI administration has promised not to take disciplinary action against anyone providing information to the investigative team. Furthermore, according to the interim report, VMI and Barnes & Thornburg are working on a joint statement that will encourage cadets and others to be forthcoming and protect their anonymity.

Fair enough. Does VMI have any due process rights as well? This is not a criminal or civil proceeding, so there will not be a trial. VMI will never have an opportunity to cross-examine its accusers in a court of law. If Barnes & Thornburg comes out with a highly critical report, will VMI have an opportunity to respond? Will it have access to depositions and testimony? Will it have the opportunity to highlight conflicting or uncertain testimony? Will it have the opportunity to argue, if the evidence supports it, that investigators prejudiced the testimony through leading questions, implied threats or other forms of pressure?

The rules of the game matter not just for VMI but for every other higher-ed institution — or any other public institution — that the Washington Post targets for an expose and Northam and/or his successors decides to investigate.


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40 responses to “Fixing the Outcome by Fixing the Rules?”

  1. Mark Flaherty Avatar
    Mark Flaherty

    The Request for Proposal (RFP) from the Commonwealth basically said (IMHO) here is the answer, who wants up to $1M to prove it? (1) If the investigation indicates present day discrimination (gender, racial) then the investigation should be expanded to other state sponsored universities to confirm that Virginia does not have a systematic problem in higher education. (2) The law firm chosen is to provide recommendation of actions based upon their findings. Would be interesting to understand their qualifications to do so. Agree that unless VMI asserts itself, their side of the story (and there are always two sides) will never get told. It is not the purpose of the investigation as directed by the RFP.

  2. Mark Flaherty Avatar
    Mark Flaherty

    The Request for Proposal (RFP) from the Commonwealth basically said (IMHO) here is the answer, who wants up to $1M to prove it? (1) If the investigation indicates present day discrimination (gender, racial) then the investigation should be expanded to other state sponsored universities to confirm that Virginia does not have a systematic problem in higher education. (2) The law firm chosen is to provide recommendation of actions based upon their findings. Would be interesting to understand their qualifications to do so. Agree that unless VMI asserts itself, their side of the story (and there are always two sides) will never get told. It is not the purpose of the investigation as directed by the RFP.

  3. satansquid Avatar
    satansquid

    VMI publicly pledged full cooperation with investigators, not an “adversarial proceeding.” And the school’s lawyers do not represent the interviewees. This post is needs some real fact-checking.

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      It’ll get done. If not fast, then half-fast.

  4. satansquid Avatar
    satansquid

    VMI publicly pledged full cooperation with investigators, not an “adversarial proceeding.” And the school’s lawyers do not represent the interviewees. This post is needs some real fact-checking.

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      It’ll get done. If not fast, then half-fast.

  5. “Then, when selecting a firm to conduct the investigation into VMI, the [Northam] administration picked a Washington, D.C., law firm that publicly proclaims its commitment to combating racism and “the larger social forces” responsible for it.”

    So much for an unbiased investigation.

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Well, look at it this way, if they determine that the administration is blameless, or at worst, guilty of minor infractions, then it’s done.

      If you came out of the Inquistion with your faith affirmed by Torquemada, you were golden. Hell, next in line for the papacy!

      1. “If you came out of the Inquisition with your faith affirmed by Torquemada, you were golden.”

        Do you have any idea how many people were “golden”?

        1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
          Nancy_Naive

          Poor choice of color.

  6. “Then, when selecting a firm to conduct the investigation into VMI, the [Northam] administration picked a Washington, D.C., law firm that publicly proclaims its commitment to combating racism and “the larger social forces” responsible for it.”

    So much for an unbiased investigation.

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Well, look at it this way, if they determine that the administration is blameless, or at worst, guilty of minor infractions, then it’s done.

      If you came out of the Inquistion with your faith affirmed by Torquemada, you were golden. Hell, next in line for the papacy!

      1. “If you came out of the Inquisition with your faith affirmed by Torquemada, you were golden.”

        Do you have any idea how many people were “golden”?

        1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
          Nancy_Naive

          Poor choice of color.

  7. Bill O'Keefe Avatar
    Bill O’Keefe

    When depositions are taken both the defendant’s and plaintiff’s counsel can be present. Why should this be any different unless the game is being rigged. From the W&L perspective, it’s a “Mug’s Game”.

    1. djrippert Avatar

      That seems like a very good point.

    2. satansquid Avatar
      satansquid

      Because it’s an investigation and not supposed to be adversarial like an actual lawsuit. The analogy also doesn’t work because it’s not two sides represented by counsel. We’re talking about the subject of the investigation insisting (or offering) their own counsel for third party witnesses being interviewed. That’s improper. It’s like a defendant being charged with a crime and insisting that his or her lawyer be able to sit in witness interviews.

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Okay then. That makes sense. -20 points.

      2. Bill O'Keefe Avatar
        Bill O’Keefe

        Point well made and taken. But this investigation grew out of a political process with the Governor. He had the choice of waiting for W&L to complete its investigation and then assess it before hiring the outside law firm. Knowing that it was likely that the conclusion had already been reached, what do you find objectionable about W&L counsel being part of the process? Isn’t that a way to keep the process honest?

  8. Bill O'Keefe Avatar
    Bill O’Keefe

    When depositions are taken both the defendant’s and plaintiff’s counsel can be present. Why should this be any different unless the game is being rigged. From the W&L perspective, it’s a “Mug’s Game”.

    1. djrippert Avatar

      That seems like a very good point.

    2. satansquid Avatar
      satansquid

      Because it’s an investigation and not supposed to be adversarial like an actual lawsuit. The analogy also doesn’t work because it’s not two sides represented by counsel. We’re talking about the subject of the investigation insisting (or offering) their own counsel for third party witnesses being interviewed. That’s improper. It’s like a defendant being charged with a crime and insisting that his or her lawyer be able to sit in witness interviews.

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Okay then. That makes sense. -20 points.

      2. Bill O'Keefe Avatar
        Bill O’Keefe

        Point well made and taken. But this investigation grew out of a political process with the Governor. He had the choice of waiting for W&L to complete its investigation and then assess it before hiring the outside law firm. Knowing that it was likely that the conclusion had already been reached, what do you find objectionable about W&L counsel being part of the process? Isn’t that a way to keep the process honest?

  9. LarrytheG Avatar

    VMI has a lot of alumni. They can testify also and especially so if their experience when they were there it was not like others are now claiming it is.

    Of course that strategy has risks if others say there were problems.

    In the end, VMI will not be able to prevent anyone from recounting their experiences and there is risk in trying to undermine individuals if it brings out a bunch of folks who say “me too”.

    They need to be careful.

    1. Who is trying to undermine individuals?

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        anyone who might risk it?

  10. LarrytheG Avatar

    VMI has a lot of alumni. They can testify also and especially so if their experience when they were there it was not like others are now claiming it is.

    Of course that strategy has risks if others say there were problems.

    In the end, VMI will not be able to prevent anyone from recounting their experiences and there is risk in trying to undermine individuals if it brings out a bunch of folks who say “me too”.

    They need to be careful.

    1. Who is trying to undermine individuals?

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        anyone who might risk it?

  11. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Jim. It was the Roanoke Times that broke the story. Why do you focus on the WaPo? Because it fits your conservative narrative?

    1. I focus on the Post because nothing happened after the Roanoke Times published its story. The story died until the Post picked it up. The Post’s allegations of “relentless racism” prompted Northam to form the investigation.

  12. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Jim. It was the Roanoke Times that broke the story. Why do you focus on the WaPo? Because it fits your conservative narrative?

    1. I focus on the Post because nothing happened after the Roanoke Times published its story. The story died until the Post picked it up. The Post’s allegations of “relentless racism” prompted Northam to form the investigation.

  13. I also focus on the Post because the Post has practiced shoddy journalism through its coverage of the controversy.

  14. I also focus on the Post because the Post has practiced shoddy journalism through its coverage of the controversy.

  15. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    That’s your opinion

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Not their opinion — Their only defense. It’s their reaction to the pensum for giving their party over to fascism. Imagine their internal moral strife as they watch “Trump in Heels” take command of the RPV.

      They’ve not yet accepted guilt, so they lay out blame. “It’s the Post. They did this.”

  16. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    That’s your opinion

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Not their opinion — Their only defense. It’s their reaction to the pensum for giving their party over to fascism. Imagine their internal moral strife as they watch “Trump in Heels” take command of the RPV.

      They’ve not yet accepted guilt, so they lay out blame. “It’s the Post. They did this.”

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