Dropping? Nope, Gas Tax Now Rises July 1

by Steve Haner

Virginia’s gasoline and diesel taxes will rise 7% on July 1, about three more cents per gallon when all the elements of the tax are combined.  This is the inflation-driven cost of living adjustment which Governor Glenn Youngkin (R) and most legislative Republicans tried to short circuit, but which was preserved by a vote in the Virginia Senate last week.

The new gasoline tax will be 28 cents retail, 8.2 cents wholesale plus another 0.6 cents per gallon to fund a program for removing old underground tanks safely.  That’s a combined tax of 36.8 cents per gallon. The taxes on diesel will be 28.9 cents retail, 8.3 cents wholesale plus the same tank fee, a total of 37.8 cents per gallon. 

Most of the attention on Youngkin’s proposal focused on his effort to suspend the retail (but not the wholesale or underground tank) portion of the tax for 90 days.  But both his regular session bill and the version he offered as a late budget amendment also reduced the coming inflation adjustment, or indexing, of the tax as of July 1.  The version rejected last week capped the increase at 2%, well below the current levels of inflation.

When opponents complained of major financial impacts from the change, they were really talking about the revenue that would disappear without the indexing provision, which will be cumulative over the years.  Inflation and then compounded inflation are powerful revenue enhancers for government at all levels, a tax all by itself.  Many in the Assembly refused to give it up (just as they refuse to index income tax provisions and lose that revenue growth.)

New retail tax rates, provided by Virginia Petroleum and Convenience Marketers Association, citing Virginia DMV. Note: this table is in cents per gallon.

The new gas tax numbers were shared with Bacon’s Rebellion by the Virginia Petroleum and Convenience Marketing Association, which just notified its members and encouraged them to be sure customers got the word.  The tax is actually collected from the wholesale distributors who bring the fuels to the gas stations and convenience stores, not imposed at the pump.

The tables reproduced in its announcement and here came from the Division of Motor Vehicles, which has nothing about this on its website yet.

The DMV, up to its old tricks, is still playing games with the numbers.  A chart on the retail tax is presented in cents per gallon, but the wholesale tax table is presented in dollars per gallon.  That moves the decimal two places and makes it look like the wholesale tax is way smaller than the retail tax.  The illusion is probably not an accident.

The wholesale tax rate, also provided by VPCMA, citing DMV. It puts the tax in dollars per gallon, moving the decimal two places to the left.

And it is probably not an accident that no effort is made inform motorists of the total tax, which has been a subject of deception for years now. Democrats playing these games was one thing.  For Republicans to be keeping it up is very disappointing.

Nor is it an accident that if you go to the legislative website and seek to find the roll call on Friday’s Senate vote to kill Youngkin’s amendment, it is still not posted.  Bacon’s Rebellion will continue to check and provide that link when available.  Here is how the House voted, with a few Democrats supporting the Governor’s proposal.

Come election season, those nays will be (correctly) portrayed as votes to raise the gas tax in the middle of a gasoline price inflation storm.


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98 responses to “Dropping? Nope, Gas Tax Now Rises July 1”

  1. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    Typical Democrats … full of crocodile tears for the plight of the less fortunate but unwilling to cut people a break during a period of massive inflation (caused by their hapless leader, Joe Biden).

    How regressive is a gas tax? Given that I understand that the transportation fund is overflowing why wouldn’t the Democrats be willing to support a tax break?

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      So follow along. Remember, when Youngkin first proposed this, Dem’s responded by offering a $50 cash rebate instead. Okay….but when Youngkin sought to increase the coming one-time tax rebates by $50, that was unacceptable! That was refused! Democrats could have approved the extra $50 and said it was for the gas taxes and taken credit, dummkopfs. But I don’t see the Republicans driving this home as ruthlessly as they could. The dumb floor speeches the Dem’s made should be circulating on social media, for example, then contrasted with Biden.

      1. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        I forgot about the rebate. Virginia Democrats follow the Northam Philosophy – no tax is too much and no tax shall ever be reduced.

        We’ll see the Dems at the ballot box this November and November of 2023 as well.

  2. Matt Adams Avatar
    Matt Adams

    A Government seldom gives up a means of taxation once it’s been established. For example PPT ebbs and flows depends on who’s in office.

    In my home state of PA, the turnpike was supposed to be free after it “paid for itself”, it’s still tolled and rises every year.

    1. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      Same for the Dulles Toll Road. Originally promised to have the tools removed once the road was paid for …. now an unending source of tax revenue. And yes, Jim Bacon – tolls on roads that have been paid for are taxes.

      1. Matt Adams Avatar
        Matt Adams

        They saw that as a pilot program and have tolled everything.

        Problem with that is, it’s not to the state it’s to a private company who owns the rights to the road.

        1. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          I though the original Dulles Toll Rd (not the Greenway) was built by the state.

          Not sure who owns it now.

          1. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            VADOT transferred 267 ownership and operation to Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority (MWAA) in 2009.

      2. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        It’s the DC area. They can remove the tolls, but the tools on the roads? Never.

        The usual model is toll until paid, remove the toll until massive repairs are needed, then sell to some European company who, uh, tolls to repair and forever.

        You will pay. Would you rather the money go to Richmond? Or Stuttgart?

  3. Fred Costello Avatar
    Fred Costello

    In response to Elizabeth Warren’s question yesterday, Federal Reserve chairman Jerome Powell said that the Fed’s increase in interest rate will not affect gasoline or food prices. It will cause less investment by industry and thereby cause lower employment. Powell said that the Fed has all of the tools needed to control inflation, but he did not cite any other than increasing the interest rate.

    1. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      Powell is right. Recessions tend to reduce inflation (other than during Jimmy Carter’s reign of economic terror). The real question is whether Powell can reduce inflation without causing a recession. Consensus seems to be “no” although no less of an expert on the economy (“inflation will be transitory”) than Joe Biden says a recession is not inevitable.

      We’ll see.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Bush43 managed a double-dip recession.

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Since the days of Grenespan, I have always pictured the Fed as a man with a screwdriver adjusting the fuel idle mixture trying to make an engine run smoothly. Works great when thats the problem. Alas, it’s his only tool and it’s the only screw he sees.

      1. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        I agree. The Fed writes a lot of papers, provides a lot of data, etc. But when push comes to shove, it’s all about the interest rates.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          It’s all he has, but it’s one helluva tool. I mean you could drive a tack with an 8-lb hammer.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            hmm… what is the opposite of quanitative easing?

          2. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            There is another tool in the kit, quantitative easing. I’d call it ether starting fluid squirted into the carburetor if you will permit, although it too takes some time to take effect.

            When you rapidly stop squirting that into the carb along with continually leaning the idle mixture the outcome will be a stall.

            But all is not lost! Powell told the Senate today that “we anticipate ongoing rate increases will be appropriate” and that a recession is “not the intended outcome at all”.

            So stop worrying our pretty little heads. Everything will just be ok, the Fed has the screwdriver in hand and is turning it, and turning it, and turning it.

          3. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            He made a comment last week that they would not be relying as heavily on models with additional rate increases, watching instead for changes in the data. ?? I guess that means they will relie on the premodel analysis of the economic states… second guessing?

          4. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            Great, that means they only need to wait until September to see the effect of the first increase in April, October for May’s increase and November for the 3/4 point hike this month.

            What are the chances they are going to do that?
            They’ve announced they’re going to keep turning that mixture screw in July and August because inflation ain’t coming tumbling down any time soon. Even Yellen had the marvelous grasp of the obvious to say that the other day.

            Revised 1st quarter growth was negative 1.5% and this quarter so far is 0%. Even if the initial 2nd quarter number is goosed to be slightly positive like the 1st quarter was, that means we have actually started a recession and the avalanche of overhanging interest rate hikes and QE elimination will snowball down hill this fall and winter.

            Batten the hatches bubba, it’s about to get rough. But of course it’s all Putin’s fault, or greedy oil companies, or, or, or…

          5. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            I suspect you’re correct. Gonna do it the old fashioned way. Fly it by the seat of their pants and make “irrational exuberance” comments. Well, I’d rather that then throw the dashpots in the trash and try to correct the overshoot.

          6. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            Well, I’d rather that then throw the dashpots in the trash and try to correct the overshoot.
            Really?

            You’re right, Greenspan really was a putz:)

          7. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            The overshoot would be recession. My dime to your dollar every modeled indicator was telling them 1.25 BP or better. They chose to go slower which is why his comment on the model and monitoring the data. Their usual time interval for predict-correct won’t do. Not going to wait for their usual indicators.

            Besides, it would do us diddly-squat to instantaneously reset our inflation and trash small economies worldwide.

      2. Lefty665 Avatar
        Lefty665

        Nice analogy, and the problem is it takes about 6 months for the effect of each turn of the screw to become apparent. He keeps turning the screw month after month. By the time each turn takes effect there are a half dozen more stacked up in line lurking. Gee, what could go wrong with that?

        The chances we will quell inflation without over correcting into a crash are slim and non-existent.

  4. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    Let them eat cake … or, in a more relevant case, let them buy EVs!

    Unfortunately, there is a fly in the EV ointment …

    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/22/electric-vehicle-raw-material-costs-doubled-during-pandemic.html

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      rest of story:

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/103704c85700d16c3657ebf49c9e6e82ab1c13bbd303ab4a54c26e6e4aeb67a0.jpg

      “The cost increases aren’t limited to EVs: Raw material costs for traditional vehicles with internal combustion engines have also more than doubled during that time period to $3,662 per vehicle, up 106% from an average of $1,779 per vehicle in March 2020. That uptick is being led by increases in steel and aluminum.

      1. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        Good point, Larry. But aren’t steel and aluminum more cyclical than rare elements like cobalt? It seems harder to increase cobalt production than to increase steel and/or aluminum production.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          yes. And so will these other EV-related materials as time goes by.

          I’m not convinced that cobalt and others are really more rare as opposed to the companies and infrastructure to extract them.

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/912e41e2168a944311023298ce32e2624f0956c57d081234f67525ba5c5bf440.jpg

          Also, with any new technology, innovation will find other paths around shortages. The same challenge faces Nukes.

          The idea that a new technology dies because we simply don’t have “enough” of something has never really stopped that technology.

          We find less expensive more plentiful replacements.

          1. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
            energyNOW_Fan

            rose colored glasses, sheesh…but we can get anything we want from China with slave labor and mega pollution to the people living there. But that works for liberals because it is NIMBY, better China’s backyard than ours

          2. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            It’s the way most new technology often works.

            Remember computers? cell phones? GPS, drones? etc

            who knows how long it will take – but it will happen.

  5. Kathleen Smith Avatar
    Kathleen Smith

    Of course it is going up, it is a holiday. Ridiculous.

  6. Super Brain Avatar
    Super Brain

    President Biden’s proposal is like applying a Band-Aid to a gaping wound,” said Sen. Todd Young (R., Ind.) in a statement. He said a gas tax holiday would have a short-term impact without actually increasing energy supply.

    “Consumers will respond by purchasing more gasoline, which will cause prices to rise, and ultimately there will be little benefit to families struggling with high fuel costs,” Mr. Young said.

    Sen. Kevin Cramer (R., N.D.) said in a statement, “Suspending the gas tax is nothing more than a knee-jerk political stunt providing minimal relief while blowing a hole in our infrastructure funding.”

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      Totally agree. It’s a political gimmick – both Fed and State.

  7. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    The reason gasoline is expensive is because of demand.

    Dropping the gas tax will boost demand.

    watch what happens.

    any bets?

    1. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      Gasoline is more expensive than it was pre-pandemic. By far. Where is the sudden increase in demand (vs pre-pandemic) coming from? Doesn’t seem to make sense.

      1. Lefty665 Avatar
        Lefty665

        Demand increase is incremental, as is decrease in supply (both crude and refining). When those lines cross with supply going down and demand going up price also goes up. The angle at which they diverge determines the velocity of the price change.

      2. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        tbe “increase” is not an increase, it’s back to pre-pandemic demand , pent up.

        It’s the same deal with airlines.

        When the pandemic hit , people stopped driving and demand plummeted. There were photos of cities with cleaner air than seen in decades.

        The gas and oil industry shut down refineries – they were actually having to pay someone to take the fuel – they ran out of storage and would have to shut down more refineries.

        After they shut them down, some of them were retired , the older ones , much like shutting down older coal plants.

        The airlines did the same thing. Layed off pilots and staff and parked airplanes, some of them permanently retired.

        1. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          “tbe “increase” is not an increase, it’s back to pre-pandemic demand , pent up.”

          Gas costs 1/2 of what it costs today pre-pandemic. Demand did not double from the pre-pandemic days until now.

          As for oil companies shutting down refineries – that might explain things (i.e. it’s not increased demand) although other commenters on this blog claim we are making gasoline at the same level as ever.

          The airlines offered early retirement to a lot of pilots who agreed to take it. Now, there aren’t enough pilots. Again, a supply problem.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            the price is higher because demand worldwide has increased – and the price of gasoline in the US is affected by world demand. Gasoline refineries can choose to export it if it fetches a higher price.

            here’s a good Google to try;

            “are we producing as much gasoline as before the pandemic”

            the simple answer is supply/demand plus hedge fund folks and speculators.

    2. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
      energyNOW_Fan

      Demand destruction is believed to be occurring. Crude oil market price already down today. All bets are off, but timing might be right for pump tax holiday

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        if there were a way to help people at the lower economic levels – perhaps tax rebates to those who got EIC and other low-income credits….

        but failing that – what we’re doing is reducing the price which almost surely will increase demand.

        Politically, it flies, people want it but from an economics point of view, it’s screwing with basic economic supply/demand.

  8. Crosswalks to Nowhere Avatar
    Crosswalks to Nowhere

    Start buying russian oil again, the sanctions against russia aren’t working. We’re only hurting ourselves. Russian oil imports were only 7-12% pre war, but it sure would help.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      And pay for killing Ukrainians! The Europeans are so we should too? How did a Russian bot get on here….

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Well is getting the Saudi’s to sell more much different?

        1. Crosswalks to Nowhere Avatar
          Crosswalks to Nowhere

          Couldn’t agree more, Saudi Arabia is just as much an enemy as Russia. I’d be more in favor of buying Venezuelan oil than Saudi any day of the week.

      2. Crosswalks to Nowhere Avatar
        Crosswalks to Nowhere

        DOD admits they have no idea what the money we’re sending Ukraine is being used for. Our strategy for intervening in the war isn’t working. Congress is approving 40 billion dollar packages as if they’re nothing. All the while a dozen schools in Baltimore and Philly are closed right now because they have no AC system. What does our intervention get us? Doesn’t seem like much at all. Ukraine isn’t doing great despite all the aid we’re sending.

        1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          Ummm… no AC in schools when I grew up…

          1. Crosswalks to Nowhere Avatar
            Crosswalks to Nowhere

            Old schools/houses were designed for no AC. Windows on both sides of the buildings lined up to allow a breeze. Just like old buses had the vents that opened in the front for air flow. Newer schools are designed only for central heating/cooling. Air doesn’t move at all and becomes stale, hot, and dry.

          2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Just read about the Philly schools. They are just old schools with no AC.

          3. Crosswalks to Nowhere Avatar
            Crosswalks to Nowhere

            True, but they still shut em down.

          4. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Yes, this is more about teachers and students changing their tolerance than some kind of energy management issue which is what was implied in your first reply to Haner above. May also have to do with a warming environment. Extreme temperatures in May vs June-July.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Back from the wilderness I see. By choice? Or did Disqus just mess up momentarily?

      1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
        James Wyatt Whitehead

        I have momentarily released you from double secret probation.

        1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          Blanket amnesty…?? Terrif!!

  9. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    “President Biden will on Wednesday call on Congress to suspend the federal gas tax for three months and ask states to suspend their own gas taxes or provide commensurate relief to consumers, according to the White House.” Emphasis added.

    Gee, if the whole state gas tax had been suspended, about 34 cents per gallon, and then the 18 cent federal tax went away, that would at least have been significant….more than half a buck a gallon.

    1. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      Sounds like Virginia’s Democrats don’t know what their colleagues in Washington are thinking and doing.

      When Joe Biden outthinks and outmaneuvers the state’s Democrats – what does that say about the state’s Democrats?

      I can’t wait to see the results of that roll call vote.

      1. Stephen Haner Avatar
        Stephen Haner

        Pretty sure it was all the D’s plus Republican Emmett Hanger, but want to see it to be sure.

      2. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
        energyNOW_Fan

        Dems want to hand out free money to the people to buy votes, but their largesse stops at gasoline for some reason. Interesting call by Biden.

        1. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          For once, I’m somewhat happy with Biden. The Feds run a big deficit and Virginia runs a surplus so it would have been better for the state to cut the gas tax but at least one entity is acting.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Except Va’s surplus is from the Fed’s deficit. Gifts are not the result of wise management.

            Meh, money comes, money goes.

    2. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      Sounds like Virginia’s Democrats don’t know what their colleagues in Washington are thinking and doing.

      When Joe Biden outthinks and outmaneuvers the state’s Democrats – what does that say about the state’s Democrats?

      I can’t wait to see the results of that roll call vote.

  10. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    May your sanitation worker telecommute.

  11. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    There is a good psychological trick you can get in the habit of doing that helps with changing gasoline prices and helps reduce pump stress.
    1) use cash,
    2) unless traveling, pick an amount of dollars, and buy that amount every time.
    It’s self-imposed ‘shrinkflation’.

    You won’t notice the sticker shock of a full tank. You also won’t be carrying around the weight of a full tank.

    1. Crosswalks to Nowhere Avatar
      Crosswalks to Nowhere

      If we all started to use cash we’d all pay a little less, and we’d see a lot of action happen because Visa would stop getting their cut for every fill up

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        If most of us stacked our errands… we could cut our use – and reduce demand.

        The thing about higher costs , which does hurt lower income is that in the bigger picture, it spurs, innovation, efficiencies and conservation.

        when something is plentiful and cheap, we waste and pollute.

    2. Lefty665 Avatar
      Lefty665

      Then what psychological trick do you use to deal with the depression caused by your ever more frequent visits to the pump? (pumped perseveration disorder in DSM6 perhaps?)

  12. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
    energyNOW_Fan

    History repeats itself, and Virginia Dems may be making a mistake by not giving temporary monetary relief to the people on gaso taxes. This was the same mistake national Repubs made ahead of the 2020 elections: the Repubs refused to go along with Dems money hand-outs for COVID relief. This action alone probably cost the national Repubs the 2020 election. The Dems knew that money buys votes (unfort) and Trump also wanted to give the hand-out$, but his fate was sealed by Repub intransigence.

    Money talks (sadly) and bulls**t walks, in the immortal words of the Dems caught up in the 1970’s Abscam sting operation. So the Dems should know better. Cut the B.S.

  13. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Red diesel for all!

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      wow!

      yeah, let’s hear from Haner!

        1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          “Dominion Energy Vice President of New Business and Customer Solutions. “BrightSuite is the trusted partner to help you navigate those complexities and make the most informed decision.”

          No conflict of interest there, eh…?? y

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Pretty surer Haner will find it troublesome.

  14. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Eliminate all taxes on diesel, and institute a $1/gallon below the line tax credit for every gallon purchased over 1000 per year.

    Now, that’ll do more to fight inflation than a hotdog and a pizza slice.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      okay… so why give a credit for more consumption?

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        At that level, it goes to shippers, railroads, fisheries, etc. Dropping shipping costs will do more to bite on inflation than $4/week for you and me.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          so normally, large consumers of fuel, electricity, etc compete against each other and the better competitors find more efficient and less consumptive methods for shipping manufacturing, logistics, etc.

          I’d hate to essentially subsidize something that actually incentivizes competition and conservation….

          This works at the consumer level also. when fuel becomes more expensive, people find ways to lower their costs, like more fuel efficient vehicles, stacking errand trips, not taking frivolous trips, etc.

          when electricity increases in cost, all kinds of innovation and efficiencies usually occur.

          The main downside is folks at the bottom of the economic ladder who simply do not have the resources and flexibility that others higher up on the economic scale have.

          Seems like something that could go on an EBT card or some such.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Could. Could issue a diesel advance tax credit EBT for purchase of diesel fuel only.

            Diesel is at the heart of food production, e.g., farm equipment, fishing boats, truck transport, etc. A farmer isn’t going to buy a new tractor right now to save fuel, and reengining a boat is a process. What better way to get a subsidy than a get as you use?

            You swipe twice. One to pay. One to log the tax credit. How hard can it be?

  15. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    It is known to the state of Virginia that the average driver travels 10,000 miles per year in a car that gets 25.3 MPG (hence the HUF on gasoline efficient automobiles).

    Eliminating all taxes, Fed and Va, will give the average Virginian $4 and change per week with which to buy a 7-11 Italian sausage and a pizza slice.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      There’s a couple of billion or more unfunded transportation projects in Virginia including widening I-64 which was funded with general revenues.

      Perhaps that is what people want instead? no taxes on fuel and fund highways from general revenues?

  16. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    Noticed that SCOTUS just made it a right to carry anywhere in public… I guess except in any Justice’s neighborhood… right?

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      schools, courtrooms, airlines…..

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Anywhere where it is important that people are safe then…. why isn’t that everywhere?

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          ” Firearms safety groups and gun control activists feared the ruling could undermine gun measures such as “red flag” laws targeting the firearms of people deemed dangerous by the courts, expanded criminal background checks for gun buyers or restrictions on selling untraceable “ghost” guns assembled from components purchased online. They also feared it could jeopardize bans on guns in sensitive places such as airports, courthouses, hospitals and schools.”

          https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/us-supreme-court-strikes-down-new-york-limits-concealed-handguns-2022-06-23/

      2. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Good. Stupid boxcutters aren’t much protection.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          huge opportunity for bullet vest companies…. teachers, retail, restaurants, etc… all styles and strengths

    2. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
      energyNOW_Fan

      OK , the woods behind my house (considered a Ffx Co Park) recent years the Fairfax supervisors ruled no guns in Fairfax public places and erected No FIREARMS signs.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Scrape that law. I guess we are just one step away from anybody being able to carry a gun onto my property if they so desire. Me claiming a No Gun household will then be unconstitutional.

    3. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Bernard Goetz has petitioned for the return of his handgun.

    1. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
      energyNOW_Fan

      Yes…so he can say he tried to help

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        hmmm.. must not be as senile as some say….. 😉

        1. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
          energyNOW_Fan

          .. a day late and a dollar short…what? we are going to have tax holiday starting next week? and all the states coordinated with that? No leadership and no thinking ahead. But it might be worth a try,to combat inflation etc sadly it’s all words, no action.

  17. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    I left Richmond early Wednesday morning to go to North Carolina on some personal business. When I returned late Thursday afternoon, gas prices had gone down by up to 50 cents a gallon. Maybe all the panic has been premature.

    1. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
      energyNOW_Fan

      still $4.89 in NoVA.

  18. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
    energyNOW_Fan

    Bottom line:
    Recent years GA has been doing a lot of gaso tax law engineering, and Virginia has quickly gone from among the lowest gaso tax, to the upper half. And it is worse than that: to see to true Va pump tax, we’d have to add in the new HUF tax that myself and others have to pay, as penalty for not paying more at the pump;…not to mention in 2012 NoVA/Hampton general sales tax was bumped up to substitute for higher gaso tax at the pump. Add all those factors up, and we must be in the near the gaso tax top. Admittedly Ca. still takes the cake with its hidden carbon taxes.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      The unfunded VDOT transportation list is not small. I give VDOT credit for diversifying the revenue streams so their 6yr list is not severely reduced if the fuel tax is temporarily lowered.

      The bottom line is that roads are not cheap and the demand for them is forever strong with each localities screaming that they need more and more.

      And the initial construction cost is nowhere near the actual cost to maintain and operate them over the longer run. Every time a new stoplight is added, it costs hundreds of thousands of dollars. A new interchange 40 million and up. Addling lanes to an urban highway can cost many millions per mile.

      Finally , keep in mind that Virginia is one of but FOUR states where the DOT/VDOT maintains ALL roads including secondary roads and subdivision roads.

      In all other states, it’s the county that is responsible for them and the county collect taxes separate from property taxes to maintain them. Here’s a sign that denotes country responsibility

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