Did UVa Stack the Deck in Its Lawn Selection Process?

by James A. Bacon

It is deemed a great honor to be one of the 47 fourth-year students at the University of Virginia awarded a residence on the Lawn, Thomas Jefferson’s architectural masterpiece and World Heritage site. A committee of 60 students selects the residents from a pool of applicants, in theory based on their record of “unselfish service and achievement in their respective fields of activity and academics.”

But when the Cavalier Daily published an article yesterday providing the racial/ethnic background of the individuals who were offered a spot on the Lawn next year, it didn’t emphasize their accomplishments. Rather, drawing from data provided by Dean of Students Allen Groves, the article focused on the increased demographic “diversity” of the Lawn residents.

“Students of Color” received nearly 60% of the offers this year, compared to only 30% last year, reported the student-run newspaper.

The dramatic one-year shift in the racial/ethnic composition of Lawn residents raises the question of whether race and ethnicity has become an explicit but not-stated-publicly criteria for selection.

“Each year, we look for students who have exemplified selfless service to the University and the Charlottesville community,” Moriah Hendrick, chair of the selection committee told the Cavalier Daily. “There are far more qualified applicants each year than there are rooms on the Lawn, so we do our best to select a representative and engaged group — one that reflects the needs, interest and involvements of the greater University community.”

Consistent with a downward trend in applications the past few years, applications decreased from 221 last year to 189 this year. About one in four applicants was accepted. Reports the Cavalier Daily:

While last year only five Black students were offered Lawn rooms, this year 10 offers went to African American or African American students — making up 22 percent of total offers. Ten, or 21 percent of total offers, went to Asian or APA+ students, while last year only eight Asian American students were offered Lawn rooms. Five offers went to Latinx or Latinx+ students — the same number as last year — making up 10 percent of total offers.

Dean Groves did not release the racial/ethnic identity of the applicant pool — either that, or the Cavalier Daily did not report it. But we can find the racial/ethnic background of the undergraduate student population in the year 2019 on the university’s Diversity Dashboard. Among those students whose race/ethnicity could be identified (the overwhelming majority)….

The University of Virginia under President Jim Ryan has been fixated on the matter of racial/ethnic identity in matters ranging from admissions and financial aid to renaming buildings and laying bare the history of slavery at the university. Given the decisive change in the racial/ethnic makeup of Lawn residents this year, one might legitimately inquire if the administration has intervened in the selection process.

What’s different between this year and last? The George Floyd killing, the Black Lives Matter movement, and increased polarization of the country in matters of race. Closer to home, last fall there was an uproar at UVa over an “F— UVA” sign posted on the door of her Lawn room by a woman with an ethnic Pakistani background. All the while, the university has ramped up its commitment to “diversity, equity and inclusion.”

The University of Virginia website describing the process for selecting Lawn residents does not mention race or ethnicity explicitly, but the FAQ section does say that the Committee seeks to select a “diverse” community of peers.

Applications are reviewed by a 60-student selection committee. Thirty students represent “a diversity of experiences and perspectives.” The “diversity” is not intellectual diversity, it is racial/ethnic diversity. In addition to representatives from each of the university’s seven academic schools, the committee includes the following:

  • President of the Student Council
  • Chair of the Honor Committee
  • Chair of the University Judiciary Committee
  • An Asian Leaders Council representative
  • An Asian Student Union representative
  • A Black Student Alliance representative
  • A Black Presidents Council representative
  • The Global Student Council
  • The Latinx Student Alliance
  • The Middle Eastern Leadership Council
  • The Multicultural Greek Council
  • The Muslim Students Association
  • The National Pan-Hellenic Council
  • The Native American Student Union
  • The Queer Student Union
  • The Student Athlete Advisory Council
  • The Fourth Year Trustees
  • A transfer student representative
  • A First Generation Low Income Partnership representative

Another 30 committee members are selected by what the Office of the Dean of Students describes as a “random” process.

A small group of Fourth Year students will receive an email request to serve on the Lawn Selection Committee, and the first 30 to accept this responsibility will receive training to read and rank applications.

Who selects that “small group”? Apparently, the selection is determined by the Lawn Selection Process Organizing Committee, which is chaired by the Dean of Students, none other than Allen Groves. Among other members of that select-the-selectors committee, one has an explicitly racial qualification: the Dean of the Office of African-American Affairs.

In other words the Ryan administration stacks the deck of the selection committee (a) with representatives of multicultural student groups, and (b) a students from a pool hand-picked by the Dean of Students’ office. While race/ethnicity may not be an explicit criteria for selection, “diversity” is. Next year white students will be significantly under-represented on the Lawn compared to their percentage of the student body. It is not unreasonable for members of the University community to ask if the dean engaged in a form of reverse racism by orchestrating a reduction in the percentage of white students and increase the number of minorities.


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107 responses to “Did UVa Stack the Deck in Its Lawn Selection Process?”

  1. I still maintain that there is no such thing as “reverse racism”.

    If a decision regarding an individual is based on the color of that individual’s skin, then it is a racist decision – the actual color of the individual’s skin is irrelevant.

  2. I still maintain that there is no such thing as “reverse racism”.

    If a decision regarding an individual is based on the color of that individual’s skin, then it is a racist decision – the actual color of the individual’s skin is irrelevant.

  3. LarrytheG Avatar

    So, if the goal of “diversity” is to have approximate percentages representative of race/ethnicity in population – is that wrong?

    1. What do you call it when 60% of the student body is white but only 40% of the Lawn residents are white — reverse diversity?

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Is that “offers” or actual percentage of people who reside on the “lawn”?

        Do we know the diversity of those who live on the “lawn”?

        But also the bigger question – is it wrong for UVA to try to replicate enthic/race percentages based on population ?

        1. If they are setting out to award the lawn rooms based on merit then it would be wrong to try to emulate the make-up of society in their offers – they should let the chips fall where they may.

          If their goal is to emulate the make-up of our society, then of course they should try to replicate the ethnic/race percentages of society.

          And, if their goal is to underrepresent white people in the lawn rooms, they should just state that as their goal, award the rooms and get on with the program.

      2. You call it “reversity!”

    2. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
      Baconator with extra cheese

      Simple solution:
      If you don’t like “The University’s” politics/ policies stop supporting it. No more donations, don’t pay for your kids to go there, and more importantly stop supporting the sportsball. It’s not “your” team anymore so get over it.

      I haven’t given a cent to my alma mater…. I don’t have the sticker on my car, I don’t watch the sportsball, or buy the sweatshirts.

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Have you burned your draft card? Diploma! Diploma!
        Sorry, old habits.

    3. “So, if the goal of “diversity” is to have approximate percentages representative of race/ethnicity in population…”

      Is that the goal of diversity, Larry?

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        “IF” ? … if not what say you it is or should be?

        here’s one;

        Diversity is the valuing and respecting of difference, including socio-economic status, race, age, religion, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, disability, veteran status, cultural and international origin, and other groups traditionally underrepresented at the university and in society.

        https://www.ius.edu/diversity/about-us/strategic-goal.php

        agree? disagree? what say you?

        1. Too wordy.

          How about: Diversity is valuing and respecting people for who they are, not what they appear to be.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            what diversity in a given population is or is not and should it be a goal?

            a dastardly concept perpetrated by elitists and do-gooders?

          2. “a dastardly concept perpetrated by elitists and do-gooders?”

            Speak for yourself, sir.

  4. LarrytheG Avatar

    So, if the goal of “diversity” is to have approximate percentages representative of race/ethnicity in population – is that wrong?

    1. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
      Baconator with extra cheese

      Simple solution:
      If you don’t like “The University’s” politics/ policies stop supporting it. No more donations, don’t pay for your kids to go there, and more importantly stop supporting the sportsball. It’s not “your” team anymore so get over it.

      I haven’t given a cent to my alma mater…. I don’t have the sticker on my car, I don’t watch the sportsball, or buy the sweatshirts.

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Have you burned your draft card? Diploma! Diploma!
        Sorry, old habits.

    2. What do you call it when 60% of the student body is white but only 40% of the Lawn residents are white — reverse diversity?

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Is that “offers” or actual percentage of people who reside on the “lawn”?

        Do we know the diversity of those who live on the “lawn”?

        But also the bigger question – is it wrong for UVA to try to replicate enthic/race percentages based on population ?

        1. If they are setting out to award the lawn rooms based on merit then it would be wrong to try to emulate the make-up of society in their offers – they should let the chips fall where they may.

          If their goal is to emulate the make-up of our society, then of course they should try to replicate the ethnic/race percentages of society.

          And, if their goal is to underrepresent white people in the lawn rooms, they should just state that as their goal, award the rooms and get on with the program.

      2. You call it “reversity!”

    3. “So, if the goal of “diversity” is to have approximate percentages representative of race/ethnicity in population…”

      Is that the goal of diversity, Larry?

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        “IF” ? … if not what say you it is or should be?

        here’s one;

        Diversity is the valuing and respecting of difference, including socio-economic status, race, age, religion, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, disability, veteran status, cultural and international origin, and other groups traditionally underrepresented at the university and in society.

        https://www.ius.edu/diversity/about-us/strategic-goal.php

        agree? disagree? what say you?

        1. Too wordy.

          How about: Diversity is valuing and respecting people for who they are, not what they appear to be.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            what diversity in a given population is or is not and should it be a goal?

            a dastardly concept perpetrated by elitists and do-gooders?

          2. “a dastardly concept perpetrated by elitists and do-gooders?”

            Speak for yourself, sir.

  5. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
    Baconator with extra cheese

    Simple solution:
    If you don’t like “The University’s” politics/ policies stop supporting it. No more donations, don’t pay for your kids to go there, and more importantly stop supporting the sportsball. It’s not “your” team anymore so get over it.

    I haven’t given a cent to my alma mater…. I don’t have the sticker on my car, I don’t watch the sportsball, or buy the sweatshirts.

  6. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    Wait! You’re comparing the outcome of the selection process to the total population and not the applicants? Wow! You will bend over backwards to issue a self-inflicted wound.

    BTW, that’s the very definition of “junk science”.

  7. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    Wait! You’re comparing the outcome of the selection process to the total population and not the applicants? Wow! You will bend over backwards to issue a self-inflicted wound.

    BTW, that’s the very definition of “junk science”.

  8. David Bither Avatar
    David Bither

    Bestowing an honor on students that have demonstrated “unselfish service and achievement in their respective fields of activity and academics” is laudatory. Giving preferential treatment to a segment of the population simply because of their racial or ethnic makeup is a practice long repudiated in this country and is antithetical to American values.

    “Diversity” to the increasingly illiberal world of academia has taken on an extremely narrow meaning and so to its goals. It is not diversity of thought, expression, or background, but the level of melanin in one’s skin that is valued. This racialist fetish ignores the fact that an individual’s race or ethnicity is congenital and not attributable to merit. It also adheres to a sophistry that assigns common attributes to the group while disregarding the importance of experientially diverse backgrounds of each individual student.

    Bottom line is that “diversity” as conceived by elite leftists, has nothing to do with meaningful diversity and is just the latest form of racial bigotry.

  9. David Bither Avatar
    David Bither

    Bestowing an honor on students that have demonstrated “unselfish service and achievement in their respective fields of activity and academics” is laudatory. Giving preferential treatment to a segment of the population simply because of their racial or ethnic makeup is a practice long repudiated in this country and is antithetical to American values.

    “Diversity” to the increasingly illiberal world of academia has taken on an extremely narrow meaning and so to its goals. It is not diversity of thought, expression, or background, but the level of melanin in one’s skin that is valued. This racialist fetish ignores the fact that an individual’s race or ethnicity is congenital and not attributable to merit. It also adheres to a sophistry that assigns common attributes to the group while disregarding the importance of experientially diverse backgrounds of each individual student.

    Bottom line is that “diversity” as conceived by elite leftists, has nothing to do with meaningful diversity and is just the latest form of racial bigotry.

  10. Steve Haner Avatar
    Steve Haner

    “What do you call it when 60% of the student body is white but only 40% of the (fill in the blank) are white….” A basketball team. Top 20 at the moment, recent national champs…did that bother you?

    Really, Bacon, this has you in an uproar? As racial justice virtue signaling goes, this one seems a fairly small measure of reparation for past misdeeds. I’m stunned it was only 30% in the prior year…I mean, you are sure, can prove, that merit was not also a strong consideration? I would assume most of those considered had something to recommend them. What does it make you if you assume otherwise simply on skin color?

    Not your finest hour. Go say six “Amanda Chases” and stay calm next time.

    1. If UVa says openly that it is factoring race into the Lawn selection, and that it intends to amend past disparities in favor of whites by favoring people of color, then so be it. We can have an honest conversation about principles. But they want the bragging rights without being upfront. They did it through the back door.

  11. Steve Haner Avatar
    Steve Haner

    “What do you call it when 60% of the student body is white but only 40% of the (fill in the blank) are white….” A basketball team. Top 20 at the moment, recent national champs…did that bother you?

    Really, Bacon, this has you in an uproar? As racial justice virtue signaling goes, this one seems a fairly small measure of reparation for past misdeeds. I’m stunned it was only 30% in the prior year…I mean, you are sure, can prove, that merit was not also a strong consideration? I would assume most of those considered had something to recommend them. What does it make you if you assume otherwise simply on skin color?

    Not your finest hour. Go say six “Amanda Chases” and stay calm next time.

    1. If UVa says openly that it is factoring race into the Lawn selection, and that it intends to amend past disparities in favor of whites by favoring people of color, then so be it. We can have an honest conversation about principles. But they want the bragging rights without being upfront. They did it through the back door.

  12. Jesse Richardson Avatar
    Jesse Richardson

    The best way to achieve true diversity is through a random selection process. I wonder how that would go over.

    1. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
      Baconator with extra cheese

      You got it! Anyone who did any self-proclaimed service gets to have their name put in for the Lawn Lottery.
      Good enough for TJ and the Dr Governor’s Schools and supported by Secretary Woke theyself (not sure how the Secretary identifies).

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        no merit? 😉

        1. Jesse Richardson Avatar
          Jesse Richardson

          All students at UVA are above average.

  13. Jesse Richardson Avatar
    Jesse Richardson

    The best way to achieve true diversity is through a random selection process. I wonder how that would go over.

    1. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
      Baconator with extra cheese

      You got it! Anyone who did any self-proclaimed service gets to have their name put in for the Lawn Lottery.
      Good enough for TJ and the Dr Governor’s Schools and supported by Secretary Woke theyself (not sure how the Secretary identifies).

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        no merit? 😉

        1. Jesse Richardson Avatar
          Jesse Richardson

          All students at UVA are above average.

  14. David Bither Avatar
    David Bither

    A basketball (or any other team…college or professional) team is a great example. Fair-minded folk are not bothered by the racial make-up of the team. They simply want players chosen for their skill level (e.g., merit) and which collectively give the team the best chance of winning. Notice how not-so-fair-minded academics are not pushing to racially diversify college football or basketball teams for fear that their department budget, salary, and perks would be jeopardized by poor performance.

    One shouldn’t be too quick to dismiss even small moves toward reparations. There is a recursive element that leads to a never-ending cycle of grievance and manufactured repair that is hard to justify. Do the family members of Jews that were excluded from Ivy League schools in the 1930s get compensated? And in 20 years, are ethnic Asians due reparations because today Harvard and Yale choose to limit the number that can attend despite being highly qualified?

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      So, affirmative action is wrong?

      1. Affirmative action violates the 14th Amendment, but you need to judge for yourself whether you think that is wrong.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          how so? SCOTUS said that?

  15. David Bither Avatar
    David Bither

    A basketball (or any other team…college or professional) team is a great example. Fair-minded folk are not bothered by the racial make-up of the team. They simply want players chosen for their skill level (e.g., merit) and which collectively give the team the best chance of winning. Notice how not-so-fair-minded academics are not pushing to racially diversify college football or basketball teams for fear that their department budget, salary, and perks would be jeopardized by poor performance.

    One shouldn’t be too quick to dismiss even small moves toward reparations. There is a recursive element that leads to a never-ending cycle of grievance and manufactured repair that is hard to justify. Do the family members of Jews that were excluded from Ivy League schools in the 1930s get compensated? And in 20 years, are ethnic Asians due reparations because today Harvard and Yale choose to limit the number that can attend despite being highly qualified?

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      So, affirmative action is wrong?

      1. Affirmative action violates the 14th Amendment, but you need to judge for yourself whether you think that is wrong.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          how so? SCOTUS said that?

  16. David Bither Avatar
    David Bither

    Affirmative action employs racial prejudice via preferences as a method to achieve certain policy outcomes. By its very nature it is unconstitutional and in opposition to America’s guarantee of equal protection under the law. Yes, it is wrong.

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      I neither know nor care how the housing on the Lawn is passed out but I wouldn’t be surprised if person connections, family legacies and donor histories, and other extraneous considerations have always tainted it. You want to see a process gone amuck, study the page selections at the General Assembly! You don’t have to get past the last names usually to see the connections. Absent a pure lottery or some other process with no human element, you will get a very human and political outcome.

      This is quite a little Rorschach test going on.

      1. Jesse Richardson Avatar
        Jesse Richardson

        That’s why it should be random selection. “Merit-based” selection is always tainted. Always.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          Tantamount to discrimination at times?

          1. Steve Haner Avatar
            Steve Haner

            The basic meaning of that word, discriminate, is simply to find a basis for making a choice. The less neutral word is prejudice. (But what does tantamount mean?) 🙂

          2. Isn’t tantamount a type of wildcat?

            No, wait, that’s catamount. But isn’t a catamount tantamount to a cougar?

      2. I think a significant percentage of the lawn should be turned over to rabbits.

        UVA has discriminated in favor of squirrels for far too long and it is time reparations were made.

    2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      60% wrong… exactly 3/5.

  17. David Bither Avatar
    David Bither

    Affirmative action employs racial prejudice via preferences as a method to achieve certain policy outcomes. By its very nature it is unconstitutional and in opposition to America’s guarantee of equal protection under the law. Yes, it is wrong.

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      I neither know nor care how the housing on the Lawn is passed out but I wouldn’t be surprised if person connections, family legacies and donor histories, and other extraneous considerations have always tainted it. You want to see a process gone amuck, study the page selections at the General Assembly! You don’t have to get past the last names usually to see the connections. Absent a pure lottery or some other process with no human element, you will get a very human and political outcome.

      This is quite a little Rorschach test going on.

      1. Jesse Richardson Avatar
        Jesse Richardson

        That’s why it should be random selection. “Merit-based” selection is always tainted. Always.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          Tantamount to discrimination at times?

          1. Isn’t tantamount a type of wildcat?

            No, wait, that’s catamount. But isn’t a catamount tantamount to a cougar?

          2. Steve Haner Avatar
            Steve Haner

            The basic meaning of that word, discriminate, is simply to find a basis for making a choice. The less neutral word is prejudice. (But what does tantamount mean?) 🙂

      2. I think a significant percentage of the lawn should be turned over to rabbits.

        UVA has discriminated in favor of squirrels for far too long and it is time reparations were made.

    2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      60% wrong… exactly 3/5.

  18. TooManyTaxes Avatar
    TooManyTaxes

    Why is just one religious group (Muslim students) represented on the council?

  19. TooManyTaxes Avatar
    TooManyTaxes

    Why is just one religious group (Muslim students) represented on the council?

  20. David Bither Avatar
    David Bither

    In a unique selection process, symphony orchestras employ a “blind audition” method to select new members from a host of candidates. The selection jury literally are screened off from the musician as they perform the required music.

    Even with this method some question the outcome since a disproportionate number of violin selectees tend to be Asian women. You will never be able to please everyone even if you greatly reduce the probability of human bias.

  21. David Bither Avatar
    David Bither

    In a unique selection process, symphony orchestras employ a “blind audition” method to select new members from a host of candidates. The selection jury literally are screened off from the musician as they perform the required music.

    Even with this method some question the outcome since a disproportionate number of violin selectees tend to be Asian women. You will never be able to please everyone even if you greatly reduce the probability of human bias.

  22. LarrytheG Avatar

    Steve Haner | February 23, 2021 at 2:38 pm |
    The basic meaning of that word, discriminate, is simply to find a basis for making a choice. The less neutral word is prejudice. (But what does tantamount mean?

    see below:

    Jesse Richardson | February 23, 2021 at 2:26 pm | Reply
    That’s why it should be random selection. “Merit-based” selection is always tainted. Always.

    LarrytheG | February 23, 2021 at 2:29 pm |
    Tantamount to discrimination at times?

    to be clear?

    If Merit based is always tainted – does that mean that at times, it can be tainted by overt discrimination (in the name of merit)?

    1. Jesse Richardson Avatar
      Jesse Richardson

      Sure. Probably most of the time it’s tainted by overt discrimination. Classic Good ole boy network, now replaced by good ole ___ (fill in the blank with the preferred group of the day).

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Would that explain decades of little to no representation of minorities in some corporate, govt and institutions?

    2. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      To choose on merit, height, beauty, national origin — any criteria other than random chance means you have “discriminated.” In this case the topic is alleged racial discrimination.

  23. LarrytheG Avatar

    Steve Haner | February 23, 2021 at 2:38 pm |
    The basic meaning of that word, discriminate, is simply to find a basis for making a choice. The less neutral word is prejudice. (But what does tantamount mean?

    see below:

    Jesse Richardson | February 23, 2021 at 2:26 pm | Reply
    That’s why it should be random selection. “Merit-based” selection is always tainted. Always.

    LarrytheG | February 23, 2021 at 2:29 pm |
    Tantamount to discrimination at times?

    to be clear?

    If Merit based is always tainted – does that mean that at times, it can be tainted by overt discrimination (in the name of merit)?

    1. Jesse Richardson Avatar
      Jesse Richardson

      Sure. Probably most of the time it’s tainted by overt discrimination. Classic Good ole boy network, now replaced by good ole ___ (fill in the blank with the preferred group of the day).

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Would that explain decades of little to no representation of minorities in some corporate, govt and institutions?

    2. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      To choose on merit, height, beauty, national origin — any criteria other than random chance means you have “discriminated.” In this case the topic is alleged racial discrimination.

  24. David Bither Avatar
    David Bither

    Many times, merit is the optimum method for making a selection. If you had a pizza as a prize for the student that performed the best on a mathematics test, selecting the winner would be merit-based and straight forward. The student that provided the most correct answers would be selected to receive their pizza prize.

    All too frequently, random selection is later discovered to be not very random at all due to conscious or unconscious bias. A good percentage of published studies (even peer reviewed) are recalled after and third party tries to replicate the random selection or validate the data used to determine selectees.

    1. Jesse Richardson Avatar
      Jesse Richardson

      (1) How can you tell that the particular test wasn’t biased?

      (2) True random selection isn’t biased. That some academics cheat in their studies doesn’t invalidate random selection. That’s human shortcomings.

      1. “(1) How can you tell that the particular test wasn’t biased?”

        That’s easy! If the test gives you the results you were looking for then it is not biased. Unexpected results are usually due to bias.

        The modern scientific method in a nutshell…

        😉

  25. David Bither Avatar
    David Bither

    Many times, merit is the optimum method for making a selection. If you had a pizza as a prize for the student that performed the best on a mathematics test, selecting the winner would be merit-based and straight forward. The student that provided the most correct answers would be selected to receive their pizza prize.

    All too frequently, random selection is later discovered to be not very random at all due to conscious or unconscious bias. A good percentage of published studies (even peer reviewed) are recalled after and third party tries to replicate the random selection or validate the data used to determine selectees.

    1. Jesse Richardson Avatar
      Jesse Richardson

      (1) How can you tell that the particular test wasn’t biased?

      (2) True random selection isn’t biased. That some academics cheat in their studies doesn’t invalidate random selection. That’s human shortcomings.

      1. “(1) How can you tell that the particular test wasn’t biased?”

        That’s easy! If the test gives you the results you were looking for then it is not biased. Unexpected results are usually due to bias.

        The modern scientific method in a nutshell…

        😉

  26. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Such snobbery.!ever been in a Lawn room? Might do better in a pup tent.

  27. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Such snobbery.!ever been in a Lawn room? Might do better in a pup tent.

  28. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    I prefer a Lawn chair.

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      I agree, the Lawn rooms were not attractive when I finally visited one…. I was just trying to get a room in Sorority Court myself. No luck…

      1. The only time I was ever in a lawn room at UVA was more than 30 years ago after a Grateful Dead concert.

        I don’t actually remember much about it.

        The room, not the concert – the concert was great…

        …I think.

      2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Well, it’s some kinda historical site. It’s not like they tore out walls and brought them to 1955 standards. Poe’s room was open when I was there in 1970. I wouldn’t want to stay there.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          what were these “rooms” originally?

          1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Dorm rooms. If I recall from looking in, maybe 8×10 with a fireplace, bed, and desk.

            A picture…
            https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2e/1d/02/2e1d02231c2b9942565f0ae9550ff36d.jpg

            Nicer than memory

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            Dorm rooms when originally built and used?

  29. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    I prefer a Lawn chair.

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      I agree, the Lawn rooms were not attractive when I finally visited one…. I was just trying to get a room in Sorority Court myself. No luck…

      1. The only time I was ever in a lawn room at UVA was more than 30 years ago after a Grateful Dead concert.

        I don’t actually remember much about it.

        The room, not the concert – the concert was great…

        …I think.

      2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Well, it’s some kinda historical site. It’s not like they tore out walls and brought them to 1955 standards. Poe’s room was open when I was there in 1970. I wouldn’t want to stay there.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          what were these “rooms” originally?

          1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Dorm rooms. If I recall from looking in, maybe 8×10 with a fireplace, bed, and desk.

            A picture…
            https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2e/1d/02/2e1d02231c2b9942565f0ae9550ff36d.jpg

            Nicer than memory

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            Dorm rooms when originally built and used?

  30. Eric the Half a Troll Avatar
    Eric the Half a Troll

    Mu brother got one of those lawn rooms way back when. I can tell you it had nothing to do with “unselfish service and achievement in their respective fields of activity and academics.” Pretty sure this is not a merit-based selection.

  31. Eric the Half a Troll Avatar
    Eric the Half a Troll

    Mu brother got one of those lawn rooms way back when. I can tell you it had nothing to do with “unselfish service and achievement in their respective fields of activity and academics.” Pretty sure this is not a merit-based selection.

  32. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    Let’s get down to brass tacks. How far is the closest bar?

  33. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    Let’s get down to brass tacks. How far is the closest bar?

  34. VDOTyranny Avatar

    Seems more like a punishment to me. Never understand why anyone would want to live in one of those holes. Just proves how easily people fall for the propaganda

  35. VDOTyranny Avatar

    Seems more like a punishment to me. Never understand why anyone would want to live in one of those holes. Just proves how easily people fall for the propaganda

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