“Cheap” Solar Costs More Than Offshore Wind?

Whether Dominion is building the solar farm or just buying its output makes a huge difference in cost.

by Steve Haner

In preparing for the latest round of new additions to its solar generation assets, Dominion Energy Virginia rejected eight privately- developed projects which were substantially cheaper than the projects it wanted to build on its own with ratepayer money. Just how much more expensive the company-owned projects will be is not clear, but the higher costs will be locked in for decades.

It is the 2020 Virginia Clean Economy Act which is driving the massive solar buildout, and one part of the statute is being read one way by the utility and another way by most of the other stakeholders. Dominion believes the law requires it to provide a fixed 35% of the new renewable electricity from third-party providers under long-term power purchase agreements (PPAs). It claims the law dictates that it must own 65% of the generation assets directly.

Just about every other party to the most recent application for new solar believes that 35% is a floor, a “no less than” target, and a higher percentage could be from PPAs. Entities taking that position include the Office of the Attorney General,  environmental activists, and even large electricity users such as Walmart. The issue dominates final arguments on the application filed this week at the State Corporation Commission.

What is the solar price differential? As with far too many of these disputes, most of the key financial information is confidential, available only to case participants who have filed a promise to maintain secrecy. But in its final brief, the staff for Attorney General Jason Miyares (R) provides some dramatic comparisons.

The proposed company-owned generation facilities in question:

…are expected to have a levelized cost of energy (“LCOE”) ranging from $94 to $111 per megawatt hour (2023 dollars). The high-end of this range is more than three times the U.S. Energy Information Administration’s estimate for utility-scale solar ($33.83 per MWh); more than 2.5 times the high-end of Lazard’s estimate for utility-scale solar ($41 per MWh); and, while designated to be confidential, and therefore not revealed in these comments, the Commission can see how the price of energy from the Company-owned facilities compares to prices provided in “contemporaneous agreements.”

…the LCOE for utility-scale solar projects proposed in this case are higher that the LCOE presented by the Company for its recently approved offshore wind project.

…If Virginia cannot realize what should be the low-hanging fruit (low cost solar generating facilities developed at scale) on the tree of RPS (renewable portfolio standard) eligible resources, that does not bode well for the prospect of maintaining affordability throughout the VCEA’s net-zero carbon transition.

This the tail end of the case (all documents here), the third such annual application from Dominion for new solar and battery assets since VCEA became law. An SCC hearing officer has already recommended that the company-owned projects proposed be approved. The AG’s staff recommended that the full commission (well, the one official commissioner plus any substitute commissioner sitting in) send a strong message by rejecting projects that are hugely more expensive than PPAs that also fit the requirements. Which of the projects those are were not spelled out.

In this case, Dominion’s application is modest. It is seeking only eight solar projects with a faceplate output of 474 megawatts, and the marginal increase it will get in the existing rate adjustment clause for the solar expansion is fairly small. If approved the change goes into effect May 1. Far bigger and more expensive applications are on the way if the VCEA targets are to be met on time, so what matters most is a decision on the argument over that 35%.

One spillover effect could be a very different approach should Dominion move forward with additional offshore wind beyond its pending 2,600 megawatt project, the only such project anywhere being built at ratepayer risk. And if Dominion ever proposes some real battery storage projects, not the pennyante window dressing projects it has put forward to date, Virginians might find “power storage agreements” with outside investors are also a better deal for consumers.

Dominion did include a request for approval on some solar power from PPAs, about 270 megawatts in total, many of them very small projects. The hearing examiner recommended approving them, but did reject a small battery storage project Dominion proposed to build.

With all the debates over other aspects of utility regulation at the 2023 General Assembly, which raged a couple of blocks up Main Street while the SCC was holding these hearings, any amendments or clarifications on VCEA seemed off limits. But only Dominion sees a 35% ceiling, while everybody else sees a 35% floor, and courts like the SCC exist to replace ambiguity with clarity.

Wrote the Southern Environmental Law Center on behalf of the environmental coalition:

The evidence clearly shows that Dominion did not select numerous conforming PPA bids because doing so would have put them over the utility’s artificially set 35% limit for PPAs. All of these conforming but-not-selected PPA bids were lower cost than the company-owned projects submitted for approval in this case. Not only were these other PPAs lower cost, but PPAs are also lower risk to customers….

SELC has also asked the SCC to make a firm ruling on the meaning of the 35% provision in several previous cases. It did not ask the SCC to reject any of the projects which were included in this application, and focused more of its attention on how Dominion manipulated the modeling of future costs and economic benefits to steer the result toward its desired outcome. The AG’s office and even the hearing examiner raised many of the same concerns.

Walmart highlighted how the record included eight private bids for large PPAs that Dominion rejected, all checking the boxes for VCEA compliance, despite all eight being less expensive than all eight of the company-owned proposals. It strongly endorsed an SCC decision in favor of telling Dominion to accept more PPA projects in future but did not ask the Commission to reject any of the pending requests.

The AG’s staff was alone in making that request:

If the Commission wants to avoid an unnecessarily high cost pathway to complying with the VCEA, the Commission should reject projects that are unreasonably expensive….

While the Company has a need to comply with the RPS Requirements, it has not been shown that paying 2x the cost of available solar PPA pricing would be reasonable. And the Company has not sufficiently explained why it is reasonable for customers to pay 2 to 3 times the cost for solar energy from Company-owned facilities, as compared to industry reported costs for solar energy.


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57 responses to ““Cheap” Solar Costs More Than Offshore Wind?”

  1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
    James C. Sherlock

    Terrific reporting.

  2. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Special panels that work in direct sunlight?

  3. AlH - Deckplates Avatar
    AlH – Deckplates

    Other data which has neither been clarified nor substantiated is the lifecycle cost of the solar panels. Those cost are related to quality of materials, and average annual loss of the power generating ability of the panels. Most are advertised as two decades or more, where in reality the percentage of power out deteriorates rapidly with in ten years. This is due to poor design, cutting cost on materials and in construction. These are cheap imports, not the ones made in the U.S. I believe that most of the calculations for Lifecyle cost and reliability are taken from the marketing data – NOT substantiated operational data.
    And lest we forget, last year our president signed an executive order to eliminate the import taxes on solar panels. This results in the installation companies buying the lowest cost solar panels, and then later point to the foreign manufacture when the panels continue to spiral down power out. Then we change out the panels, with labor and another material cost due to not meeting power generating “requirements.” What then happens to the old cheap panels? Of course, they are put someplace in our soil…

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      90% is the 20 year deteriorated panel.

      1. Randy Huffman Avatar
        Randy Huffman

        I realize this is a commercial application discussion, but thought I would share the following.

        I had North America made solar panels installed on my home last year, the projection was after 20 years the panels would produce 87% of the power from year 1. In a number of articles I read before installing them, people were replacing 10 year old panels due to better performance of the newer panels and it made mathematical sense, but we will see. I certainly would not have purchased these if the expectation was they would be obsolete in a dozen years, it already was not a great investment based on projections.

        I will have them in for a year in a couple months and will evaluate them against the performance guarantee (which is something like 95% of projection), but my sense is they are slightly underperforming. However, I have not yet done the math so could be wrong (I hope!).

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          More important than the panels is the charge controller, of which there are two types, maximum power point tracking and an older type I can’t remember. The MPPT can milk the panel for all it’s worth. The other comes in at roughly 90%.

          My panels are for campers/cabins and produce 20 volts at 8.5 amps at noon on the equator on a clear day. Laying flat at 37N I get 20 at roughly 6 amps. Tilt toward the sun and it’ll hit 8 amps. The pain is they’re always hot. At midnight they still crank 13V with a blanket on them from loom. I don’t trust my splices and with a 10 amp multimeter the only way to test is at night. But, the batteries are fully charged by 5PM with the refrigerator running so that’s all I care about.

          1. Randy Huffman Avatar
            Randy Huffman

            I’m no engineer but they said the system I got is designed to maximize output, its a microinverter for every 4 panels I believe, versus a system for all together. That way if there is any kind of malfunction the entire system wont go out, just the 4. My panels face south with no tree obstruction so the company said it was an installers dream. I just looked at the agreement and my performance guarantee is not within 5%, but 10%, but still have protection. There is no battery storage, I just put any excess in the grid, and take from the grid as needed, batteries were outrageous. I seldom lose power and have a small portable backup generator for the fridge and a few lights if I do.

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            So… As two solar users, we’re both as happy as pigs in pooh. Let the rest of ’em freeze in the dark, we’ve got technology!

          3. William O'Keefe Avatar
            William O’Keefe

            And, if they do so will you since after dark you have to rely on the same sources as the rest of us freezing citizen.

          4. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Batteries? You got batteries?

          5. William O'Keefe Avatar
            William O’Keefe

            How many and what size to heat your home. And, what do they power?

          6. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Heat? I go “where the weather suits my clothes.”

  4. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    “And the Company has not sufficiently explained why it is reasonable for customers to pay 2 to 3 times the cost for solar energy from Company-owned facilities, as compared to industry reported costs for solar energy.”

    Because if they aren’t Company-owned facilities, the Company doesn’t get as much money… duh…

    I am with Haner on this one…

    1. William Chambliss Avatar
      William Chambliss

      Of course, the Company would much rather invest in this construction at its rate of return, including a thick layer of equity financing at a guaranteed return of 9.7%, than purchase power from units constructed less expensively by independent suppliers, which are largely financed by lower cost debt.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Absolutely true. They certainly are stacking the deck here. Their Achilles heel, however, is distributed residential generation, imo. If that ever REALLY takes off, they are going to feel it to be sure. If it does, however, I suspect they will re-write the net metering rules to their benefit.

  5. Kathleen Smith Avatar
    Kathleen Smith

    “But only Dominion sees a 35% ceiling where everybody else sees a 35% floor, and courts like the SCC exist to replace ambiguity with clarity.“

    It appears that Dominion wants to control the bigger share, thus the bigger profits.

    As in past articles, you have convinced me.

  6. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    “Benevolent Monopoly” — repeat as often as necessary to believe. Domini, Domini, Domini, my father can beat your father at dominos.

  7. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    As usual, lots of information distilled into an understandable format. Question: If the SCC ruled in favor of Dominion’s interpretation of the 35%, could the AG’s office appeal that ruling to the Virginia Supreme Court?

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      A good question that I think leads to a key point.
      Yes, and likewise if the SCC rules the 35% is just a floor, Dominion could and most likely would file an appeal. No court likes to risk being overruled, as the SCC recently was when APCO filed an appeal. It may take the legislature to clear this up and nobody tried in the ’23 session.

      1. William Chambliss Avatar
        William Chambliss

        Unfortunately, I believe it will take legislative action to resolve the “cap or floor” question. I do not have access to the statutory language at the moment, but as I recall it sets 35% as the amount Dominion must purchase from third parties with the “remainder” supplied by the company itself. No matter how the SCC interprets the language, one side or the other will go to the S. Ct. with it.

  8. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    I had hoped that a centi-millionaire like Glenn Youngkin would have been willing to call out Virginia’s hopelessly corrupt state government. Unfortunately, it seems Gov Youngkin is just another member of the Uniparty – willing to look away as Dominion (and other special interests) pour money into the pockets of our state politicians. What a shame.

    Where is Henry Howell when you need him?

  9. Steven Curtis Avatar
    Steven Curtis

    You captured the essence of the folly of wind and solar. You were right on in your description of how difficult it is to nail down what the real costs are because subsidies mask this number, and the purveyors want you to think these sources are really cheap. Transmission lines are one of these since this electricity must be transferred a much longer way than other sources. Cost of land and excavation is also often masked. They also avoid talking about how much the environment is destroyed (trees cut down, sensitive lands marred for life, just for two)
    Eliminating all subsidies for all electricity producers would soon root out what the real costs would be. Everywhere this has occurred, solar companies disappeared or went out of business (Solyndra, for instance). However, the same is true of wind power. Both are prohibitively expensive without subsidies and mandating laws (you have to use renewable energy first, for instance). In any event the taxpayer always pays, up front or later with interest.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      The dream transfixing Virginia politicos is Virginia becoming the industrial and maintenance hub as 3,000 to 5,000 Biden Seabird Cuisinart and Whale Repellants are built from Florida to Maine. That in their heads is how the game provides a positive cash return. Me, I’m not convinced that happens here.

  10. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    I see where world renowned climate expert Greta Thunberg quietly deleted a tweet recently. Posted 5 years ago, the tweet predicted that only 5 years were left until a climate catastrophe occurred. Apparently, the tweet was based on “following the science” from a Harvard scientist. Lemmings will lem, I guess.

    Beyond the details of the Imperial Clown Show in Richmond’s capitulation to its masters at Dominion (well described by Steve Haner in numerous articles), the essential question remains the ability to store energy generated by intermittent wind and solar. There is no equivalent to Moore’s Law for batteries or any other kind of energy storage. There is no basis to believe that the price / performance of energy storage will double every two years. Yet it is some form of this belief that lets so-called experts set deadlines for the abandonment of fossil fuel use. Hope is not a strategy.

    1. how_it_works Avatar
      how_it_works

      A datapoint:

      A solar array that produced 9kw of power at noon yesterday in full sun produced only 1kw of power at noon in today’s cloudy weather.

      1. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        Thank you. I’m all for clean energy but not on an arbitrary deadline based on bogus claims of catastrophe coupled with false hopes for scientific progress.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          There really is no “drop dead” date.

          It’s the same approach we’ve used for prior environmental issues , like modifying engines to burn unleaded gas, phasing out CFCs and and mercury and other toxic substances…

          It’s ongoing.

          There are “goals” but they’re not “drop dead” goals.

      2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        A datapoint, my system generated 88 kWh yesterday and about 22 kWh today. Not quite your 1:9 ratio but certainly less.

        1. how_it_works Avatar
          how_it_works

          is that a 15kW system?

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Almost… just under (AC-wise) intentionally.

          2. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            My understanding is that you aren’t allowed to oversize an array in Virginia. It can’t be larger than what it takes to match your energy use. How they enforce this I have no idea.

          3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            No, you can but they do not have to pay you for your excess generation. Your bill won’t ever be less than the (nominal – <$10/month) service charge. If you put in a >15 kWac system though, they can charge you a standby demand charge based on your peak demand which I calculated would be about $50/month on my house. That is why mine is just under 15kWac – also I conveniently ran out of roof space about then anyway. I do have a drainback solar hot water system on my roof and that is a much better use of space (energy wise) than more solar panels so it all worked out in the end.

          4. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Any chance we might see a photo of your rooftop array?

          5. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Wow! Thanks! and the ground-based HVAC is just below the bay/bow? Is that morning sun
            or afternoon?

          6. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            So, you DO use grid power at times, right? Are you storing any of the solar output? Is your car an EV that charges off your solar?

          7. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            So mine is a net meter systems – no battery storage (yet…) but no real reason for it. My current car is a hybrid, my next car will be electric most likely but will likely put me over my generation capacity…. unless I can figure out another way to generate or reduce other electric demand. Was thinking of putting a turbine up on my roof as I also get a good northern wind but that may be later – maybe just to charge vehicle and not tied into my meter… work in process…

          8. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            If someone was gonna start from scratch, advice?

          9. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Well, I looked at it for quite some time. They say the cheapest energy is what you do not use so depending on how tight your house is, I would start there. Then I would look at your house orientation. Solar is best on a southern exposure with no trees in the way. If you don’t have that, I would think hard about it. Most solar companies will do a projection for you but, of course, they are trying to sell you. You need to do your own cost analysis independent of them (you can use their figures for input most likely). Hot water is about 20% of typical house energy use and thermal solar is the most efficient solar energy source. A drainback solar system (which I put in some 20 years ago) usually pays for itself in 5 years or so. I use mine to pre-heat the feed water to my conventional electric hot water heater. That technology is tried and true, imo. Hope that helps. If you want to talk off-line, I will post an email at which you can reach me.

          10. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Thanks, we have trees… so probably a nogo. We do have an on-demand WH but could not convince myself to replace the HVAC with a ground-based… two companies did not like the idea and quoted 30K+.

          11. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            I would only consider going that route if you had to replace your conventional HVAC soon. Then you would only be looking at the differential cost and comparing that to energy saved. Btw, the my geothermal unit has the ability to preheat hot water as well (like my solar setup) with no additional energy use – reclaims excess heat. Might want to consider that option as well in your analysis.

          12. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
            f/k/a_tmtfairfax

            Just out of curiosity, do you live in a rural area? I cannot imagine an HOA or even a zoning ordinance approving a roof-based wind turbine.

          13. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            More exurbia. Our HOA is pretty benign. Not sure where zoning will land but I think residential generation does not require special zoning approval.

            The biggest issue is how much power a residential wind turbine can generate and how it could be directed to a charging station for my car. I really would not want to add it to my net metered line because of the effective 15 kWac cap and because then I would also need an inverter. If the car batteries use DC and the turbine generates DC why bother with inverter? As I said, still working on it…

          14. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            might still need a controller though, right?

          15. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Think I will consult with both my solar installer and a wind turbine installer and see what they say.

    2. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
      f/k/a_tmtfairfax

      Hasn’t former VP Gore made similar predictions that also did not come true.

      And, once again, few people in government are properly focused on the need for an extremely reliable grid. If the hospital cannot fire up a diesel generator when power goes out, power damn well better not go out ever.

  11. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
    f/k/a_tmtfairfax

    The “prudent investment” rule has been a part of public utility law since 1898. Smyth v. Ames, 169 U.S. 466 (1898). A utility must prove the proposed investment are used and useful in the provision of service and that they are technologically sound and not unreasonable in amount. If quality and reliable service can be provided using a greater amount of third-party plant, that should be approved and Dominion’s proposal rejected.

    AIH’s remarks seem valid to me.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      There is the rub. Our General Assembly has dictated in code what qualifies as “reasonable and prudent” and destroyed the regulatory compact.

  12. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    solar and wind from Dominion is going to be more expensive than other sources but a question might also be, how wind/solar compare to natural gas in price and which of them will likely be more volatile in price, perhaps increasing in price much higher?

    Where will the co-ops get wind/solar and will it also be higher in price that independent sources?

    Finally, If suppliers in the PJM zone offer much cheaper wind/solar than what Dominion’s cost – will Dominion still choose the higher cost wind/solar?

    1. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
      f/k/a_tmtfairfax

      Larry, as to whether Dominion would favor its own more expensive wind and solar, the answer comes from the great NCIS character Director Leon Vance. “Damn right!”

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Dam right or Dam Straight?

        1. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
          f/k/a_tmtfairfax

          I believe the Director has said both phrases.

    2. William Chambliss Avatar
      William Chambliss

      Two things: first, the Co-ops are not obligated by law (as DOM believes it is) to build a particular amount of solar/wind, so its supplier (ODEC) can either buy or build; second, if ODEC does choose to build or permits its member co-0ps to build their own both are non-profit entities and don’t have to consider the profit margin DOM does and both have access to extraordinarily low cost federal funding.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        I appreciate the knowledge you are sharing. Do you know how rates are set for the Co-ops?
        By the SCC? Similar process to Dom and ApCO? Can the Co-ops buy from PJM suppliers?

        1. William Chambliss Avatar
          William Chambliss

          The distribution co-ops’ rates are set by the SCC, but Virginia law allows a co-0p board to make various adjustments, including increasing rates by not more than 5% over a 3 year period, without Commission approval. These co-ops purchase all their power from the generation cooperative, ODEC, that they jointly own. ODEC, in turn, is a member of PJM and can buy power from that market, subject to certain limitations.

          There is a separate section of the Code of Virginia that sets out the oversight by the SCC of the distribution cooperatives; the Commission does not regulate ODEC, which is making only wholesale power sales to the member cooperatives and is subject to regulation by the FERC. Hope this helps.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            It does but scads of more questions.

            Can the co-ops contract for solar from independent providers?

            ODEC has coal, natural gas and a share of NA.

            When they need more power, where do they get it?

            Do they offer power to PJM if they have capacity?

            Do they buy/sell power to Dominion, ApCo?

  13. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    I don’t know about “cheap” solar but the news of late speaks of breakthroughs in energy storage and transmission and the cost of batteries.

    Wouldn’t it be a kick in the pants if “science” comes up with an efficient and cost-effective way to store energy and all this “stuff” would just recede into obscurity as even the weakest solar could simply trickle into a storage battery while the sun shines and meter out stored electricity when the sun does not?

    Imagine what happens to things like grids and fossil fuel generation plants. Imagine what happens to developing countries and island nations that burn diesel that would no longer need fossil fuels except for backup power.

    It’s not such a wild idea.

    The price of lithium batteries is coming down and very soon it’s said that an EV will be cost-competitive to a conventional gas-powered car and have a range that is equal or exceeds a conventional car and costs 1/2 or less to “fuel”. That also means such a battery could power a
    house.

    Is it dreaming or is it possible?

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