Central State Hospital – the State’s Only Maximum Security Mental Health Facility, a Legacy of Jim Crow and Not Nearly Good Enough


By James C. Sherlock

I have written often about the state of mental health support in Virginia. The Governor has a major initiative to improve it.

But it does not go far enough.

The state maximum security mental health facility at Central State Hospital needs to be disbanded and the duties dispersed across the state.

The legacy of that hospital is indefensible, and carries over to today.

The video published showing the death in Central State Hospital (CHS) of Irvo Otieno showed an almost entirely Black group of people — victim, sheriff’s deputies, and CHS staff.

It turns out not to be an anomaly.

Before integration, Central State was Virginia’s Black mental hospital.

Based on records provided by the Virginia Department of Behavioral Health and Developmental Services, Central State Hospital, the state’s only mental hospital built to maximum security standards, is today:

  • a largely Black institution;
  • with a largely Black staff. Of 930 current staffers at CHS, 649 are Black; 77 are “other” races and 204 are White;
  • providing services to a largely Black patient population. Of 264 patients, 160 are Black, 80 white and 24 other races.

That arrangement is not working, even it you think it should, because in the current location it cannot.

And the victims of substandard treatment and their families, as in the death of Mr. Otieno, tend by the relative numbers of patients to be Black as well.

Staffers deserve better working conditions and more help than the staff vacancies will permit. The patients deserve better treatment, their relatives deserve better access, and the entire situation is a legacy of Jim Crow.

There is no realistic scenario in which the required number and quality of mental health professionals, in shortage statewide, can be attracted to work in Petersburg.

I offer a solution. One which will get the patients proper treatment. Bring the patients to where the mental health professionals are.

Close CHS and open a series of smaller facilities adjacent to existing major teaching hospitals.

Staff vacancies.  Current staff vacancies total 246, including:

  • 6 treatment team case managers;
  • three psychiatrists, a psychiatric nurse practitioner;
  • 3 senior psychologists, 3 psychology associates/assistants;
  • a Nurse Educator, a Nursing Executive Assistant;
  • 33 registered nurses;
  • 16 licensed practical nurses;
  • 52 Psych Techs; and
  • a therapy counselor.

That represents more than a 20% staffing shortfall overall.  In the clinical medical professional specialties I have listed, I suspect the shortfalls represent much higher percentages.

There was reportedly no Central State staff available to accept Ivo Otieno’s transfer when deputies arrived at the hospital on March 6. Deputies waited outside for 20 minutes before bringing Otieno inside the facility, which staffers should have done.

The video appears to show that the CHS medical staff who were in the room at the time did not immediately provide Otieno assistance or medication.

Restraint of a patient on his stomach is specifically banned at Central State because it can result in death. It did.

Sheriffs. The Sheriffs of Petersburg and surrounding counties bear the brunt of violent mentally ill patient transportation work. For sheriffs at the western and eastern ends of the state, it is a very long trip.

Murder charges.  Seven Henrico sheriff’s deputies are charged with murder in the second degree in the death of Mr. Otieno at CHS.   Three CHS employees are facing the same charges.  Eight of the ten are Black, as is the victim.

The relatives of the victim and the relatives of those charged with his murder are victims as well.

Bottom line. I think we need to consider why the citizens of the Petersburg/Dinwiddie County area continue to bear the burden of the state’s only facility for the criminally insane.

I would like to know why the state’s only maximum-security mental hospital remains at the city limits of the Blackest city in Virginia. The same city with what has traditionally been the state’s worst general hospital.

It was put there, if you had not guessed, by leaders of massive resistance in order to comply with federal integration laws in the 60’s, while making a mockery of them at the same time.

I know how it happened. But I would like to know why maximum-security mental health inmates from across the state are still housed at Central State 60 years on.

That credit likely goes to inertia and local politicians protecting jobs.

I would like to know from where, exactly, in Virginia the state is supposed to draw to Petersburg mental health professionals qualified to treat the criminally insane, much less assess the mental readiness for trial of persons whose mental capacity to stand trial is in question.

We must inquire:

  1. Why there are not at least three, or perhaps more, smaller institutions across the state where maximum security inmates are brought for treatment and assessment. And where they can be visited by family and attorneys;
  2. Why those institutions are not located in close proximity to and integrated with mental health services of major teaching and research hospitals:
    • existing hospitals with mental health services staffed with professionals qualified for the tasks,  
    • Who can be funded by the state to provide those services to the criminally insane and those being evaluated for fitness for trial as part of their hospital duties.

Just asking.

Updated with additional commentary April 20 at 7:12 AM


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87 responses to “Central State Hospital – the State’s Only Maximum Security Mental Health Facility, a Legacy of Jim Crow and Not Nearly Good Enough”

  1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    You are too late. The General Assembly has authorized the issuance of $348 million in bonds to replace Central State at that location.

    1. That’s too bad (the location, not the funding).

      After all, Buckingham County (Mount Rush, to be precise) is literally the geographic center of the Commonwealth.

      If we can only have one “Central State Hospital” then I think it should be built there.

      Although, the “center” of Virginia based on population distribution is pretty near Montpelier, so that might be a good choice, too.

      1. Charles D'Aulnais Avatar
        Charles D’Aulnais

        Well, there’s always the “It’s a Small World” pavilion at Disney World.

        Just kidding. The best place to locate would be based on nearly equal transit times from select area representative locations.

        1. True enough, but I could not find a “mental illness population center” for Virginia anywhere so I used geographic and overall-population centers.

          🙂

          1. Charles D'Aulnais Avatar
            Charles D’Aulnais

            1000 Bank St, Richmond, VA 23219

          2. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            Lots of people at that address suffering from delusions of adequacy.

          3. Charles D'Aulnais Avatar
            Charles D’Aulnais

            Moderate sense common conservatives. Wait. No, that’s right.

          4. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            It has less to do with their political party and more to do with being a Virginia politician.

      2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
        James C. Sherlock

        The maximum security facilities should not be in a single location at all for the reasons I offered.

        1. Understood. But unfortunately it appears that our duly elected representatives are budgeting for only one new hospital, at least for now.

          The problem will be funding two or three additional hospitals. Using the $389 million figure provided by Mr. Hall-Sizemore, then in a best case scenario, we’d need another $500-$750 million to build 2-3 additional hospitals, assuming they could be smaller than the currently planned single facility.

          And the cost savings realized by scaling back the size of the currently planned replacement hospital would not pay for even one additional facility.

          By the way, I agree with you that we need more than one of these facilities. However, even a single brand new state-of-the-art hospital will be a vast improvement over what we have now.

      3. Lefty665 Avatar

        Is that Montpelier on 33 outside of Richmond, or Montpelier, Madison’s home outside Gordonsville?

        1. Near Madison’s home. Orange County.

    2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Not too late Dick for a better plan. I offered one.

      Do they think a new facility is going to fix the issues that I have catalogued here? Or do they think at all?

  2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    “I know how it happened. But I would like to know why maximum security mental health inmates from across the state are still housed at Central State.”

    Because systemic racism no longer exists… at least according to BR contributors…

    1. Exactly so!

    2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      I am a BR contributor. I wrote this article. That may sooth you.

      Any thoughts on whether Central State should continue to house max security patients?

  3. James McCarthy Avatar
    James McCarthy

    “Criminally insane” is both oxymoronic and archaic. A judicial finding of insanity with respect to a criminal act means the defendant lacks the mental capacity to appreciate or understand the nature of the act and may be absolved of responsibility. The underlying legal reasoning is that a defendant so lacking also is not capable of participating in a defense.

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Very helpful information counselor. Any thoughts on the actual themes of the article?

      1. James McCarthy Avatar
        James McCarthy

        No. Good piece!

    2. Thomas Dixon Avatar
      Thomas Dixon

      Insanity has nothing to do with their ability to participate in their trial, only that they were unable to tell right from wrong at the time of the offense. Competency refers to their ability to understand factually and rationally their charges, the legal processes, and assist in their defense. One can be sane and incompetent, and vice versa.

      1. James McCarthy Avatar
        James McCarthy

        Tough to separate the capacity of an insane individual to engage competently in a criminal defense.

        1. Charles D'Aulnais Avatar
          Charles D’Aulnais

          Kind of a thin gap, to be sure, between being able to distinguish right from wrong and the ability to understand the nuances involved in a criminal defense.

          There are those who claim they can provide a textual interpretation of the Constitution but seem incapable of comprehending a financial disclosure form.

          1. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            CD’A, that may be a tale of two ethical universes: one which applies to others and one which applies to the jurist.

        2. Thomas Dixon Avatar
          Thomas Dixon

          Not always. People can be in a state of psychosis or mania when they commit a crime, in which case (if due to mental illness) they can plead and be found insane. Insanity is a point in time. Whether they can assist in their defense rationally and factually is determined by their competency. Once treated, psychotic and manic people can think and understand clearly enough to go to court. The term “Capacity” has nothing to do with crime. That term refers to their ability to make treatment (usually medical) decisions. It can include financial and housing etc.

          1. Like a schizophrenic who was off medication when he committed an illegal act, but is taking medication when it comes time for a trial: [Probably] insane at the time of the crime, but competent to assist in his own defense at trial.

          2. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            Insanity may perdure beyond the criminal act and not be time or event limited. That was my reference. It is indeed possible (not very easy) to demonstrate insanity at the time of the act but subsequent competency to assist in a defense. Consider the insane moment of the act with respect to memory for defense info or even possible testimony.

    3. The patient may be absolved of responsibility for the criminal act but it was still a criminal act.

      What term(s) would you recommend we use to differentiate between mentally ill people who pose no danger to society, and those who are violent and dangerous?

      1. Lefty665 Avatar

        We have a forensic unit at Central State for people who have committed violent acts and are not competent to understand the criminal and dangerous nature of their actions. It is not a place I would care to work.

        1. Me neither.

          But I would really like to know the currently acceptable replacement for “criminally insane”. Do you know what it is?

          I would expect in today’s world that the term would have been replaced by something less harsh, but I’ve searched on-line and it appears “criminally insane” is still in widespread use and is the legally correct term.

          1. Lefty665 Avatar

            Sorry I don’t. It is a pretty good description of people who have committed violent crimes yet lack the rationality to understand or care what they have done is wrong. It distinguishes them from more run of the mill insane people who are disconnected from reality, but not violent.

            Terminology can be faddish, as in evolving from mortician to undertaker to funeral director. The language changes, but the function is still the same.

            We house them in forensic units, which also gets to the criminally violent nature of their behavior. Make no mistake, it is a group that must be very carefully controlled.

            It is a tremendously difficult population to deal with. The idea of concentrating that population in one place along with the special skills needed to address their mental illness is not all bad. The idea of dispersing the population to be closer to academic resources has attractions too, but has its own difficulties and expenses.

    4. Lefty665 Avatar

      “Criminally insane” is both oxymoronic and archaic.”

      Congratulations on another Jim McCarthy silly walk, flashy while contributing nothing to the conversation. Congrats.

      1. James McCarthy Avatar
        James McCarthy

        You were on a roll of rationality until your pungency got the better of you.

  4. I know how it happened. But I would like to know why maximum security mental health inmates from across the state are still housed at Central State.

    That question was answered in the headline of your article. Central State Hospital is the only maximum security mental health facility in the Commonwealth. There is nowhere else to send or house maximum security mental health inmates from across the state.

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      I offered the solution. The only one which will get the patients proper treatment. Bring the patients to where the mental health professionals are. Close CHS and open a series of smaller facilities adjacent to existing major teaching hospitals.

      1. Acquiring land for such a facility in Norfolk (EVMS), Richmond ( VCU) or Charlottesville (UVA) would greatly increase the cost. It might be better to locate them a little further away from the campus of these school.

        By the way, it’s not exactly adjacent, but Central State Hospital is less than a hour’s drive from VCU.

        One final thought regarding land: The old deteriorating baseball stadium in Richmond (The Diamond) is only about 3-1/2 miles from VCU’s School of Medicine. The stadium parcel and the parking lot parcel together contain roughly 10 acres of property. Assuming that is enough land to build a proper facility, that is one potential location -and it’s more-or-less adjacent to VCU.

        The city appears to be unwilling to renovate the ballpark there, so…

        1. Lefty665 Avatar

          The Diamond is also adjacent to the State ABC warehouse. That would be convenient for patient self medication and a source of offsetting state revenue to subsidize the cost of the hospital. Richmond also has a large black population so it would avoid charges that removing state institutions from black communities is inequitable. What more could we ask for?

          VCU and Central State would be a good matchup, It’s a quick hop on I95, 23 miles Richmond to Petersburg and the medical end of VCU is right at the 95 entrance. It would also be a good hook for a forensic psychology department at Virginia State University. Take the academic resources to the institution rather than the other way around.

          1. Lefty665 Avatar

            The Diamond is also right across the Boulevard from the Greyhound Terminal. In cases of overcrowding, they could issue bus tickets to California and send criminally insane people there to live on the streets.

          2. Well now you’re just being mean…

            …but funny.

            😉

          3. Lefty665 Avatar

            Sorry, it’s a legacy. Long ago while working with MH folks in Richmond we found that as deinstitutionalization proceeded that anyone Central State did not know where else to discharge people to they sent to Richmond. At one point we jokingly proposed a grant to save the city money by buying bus tickets to Norfolk to redistribute the excess dischargees we were getting. The “solution” was facetious, but the issue was real. Too many people and not enough resources to serve them.

            The problem was that money for services did not follow people to the community. The idea was that money freed up from state institutions would follow people who were discharged to the community. But, state institutions did not go away as deinstitutionalization proceeded,. The GA was unwilling/unable to provide the extra money needed for community based services.

            The utter disgrace and failure of our country to care for people with MH issues that the sidewalk homeless encampments scream at us is profoundly depressing.

          4. Further evidence supporting a statement I made recently on another thread: Good jokes always have a grain of truth.

    2. Lefty665 Avatar

      Sherlock seems to fail to understand the difficulties and expense of running a forensic unit in a mental health facility. It is hard, labor intensive, and expensive, not to mention scary work.

      There are economies of scale to doing that in one institution. The idea of scattering those units across the state snuggled up next to universities is easy to say, but a lot harder and more expensive to execute in practice.

      We could also expect a lot of NIMBY resistance to locating high security institutions for the criminally insane in university communities. Unless perhaps we could replace the I in DIE with insane and make rights for violently criminally insane people a popular advocacy cause. Criminally insane rights are human rights, put pictures of criminally insane people frothing at the mouth fangs exposed on beer bottles, forensic units are safe spaces themes, encourage violently criminally insane people to participate in contact sports. The possibilities are endless, and America needs a new oppressed group to champion.

      Go for it Jim, disperse those violently criminally insane people to urban areas across the state and pair them up with universities in communities that are not going to want them. What could go wrong?

      There is a lot that needs to be fixed with Virginia’s mental health services, from community based to institutional. Throwing out centralized state institutions may not be a cure all, especially considering the wildly varying experience, from good to really crappy, Virginia has had with community mental health services over the last 50 years.

      1. You make good points – some I had not considered.

      2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
        James C. Sherlock

        Patients needs first, my friend.

        The chance of attracting the requisite numbers and quality of mental health professionals to work in Petersburg – note the clinical vacancies existing there now – is effectively zero.

        So when you start with what the patients and their families need, you can’t come up with a single facility in the state at all, much less with Petersburg as its location.

        Those are the controlling facts. The rest is details.

        1. Lefty665 Avatar

          Team with VCU and Virginia State to provide clinicians to Central state. One solution is to provide services where people are.

          Your fantasy of distributing forensic units full of violently criminally insane people to urban areas of the state will meet profound local resistance in addition to being far more expensive than a central
          forensic facility.

          You can save me the condescending lectures about Petersburg and “patients needs first”. I spent my career providing services to people across Virginia with severe disabilities.

        2. Lefty665 Avatar

          Team with VCU and Virginia State to provide clinicians to Central state. One solution is to provide services where people are.

          Your fantasy of distributing forensic units full of violently criminally insane people to urban areas of the state will meet profound local resistance in addition to being far more expensive than a central
          forensic facility.

          You can save me the condescending lectures about Petersburg and “patients needs first”. I spent my career providing services to people across Virginia with severe disabilities.

        3. Lefty665 Avatar

          Team with VCU and Virginia State to provide clinicians to Central state. One solution is to provide services where people are.

          Your fantasy of distributing forensic units full of violently criminally insane people to urban areas of the state will meet profound local resistance in addition to being far more expensive than a central forensic facility.

          You can save me the condescending lectures about Petersburg and “patients needs first”. I spent my career working with people in Virginia with severe disabilities.

  5. Thanks for tackling this, JS, it badly needs the public disclosure and attention rather than another “sweep under the rug.” But I think ETHT above has a point. A lot of the same people who say there is no systemic racism in Virginia also deplore comments like “I know how it happened.” Saying that gives the lie to the notion that there’s nothing ‘systemic’ going on out there today. Indeed, we older Virginians and quite a few younger ones all ‘know how it happened’ but are ashamed to admit that in 2023 nothing has been done to rectify (let alone acknowledge) the situation.

    1. Charles D'Aulnais Avatar
      Charles D’Aulnais

      Well, no more than usual.

    2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      The politicians who represent the Petersburg region consider CSH a jobs issue. Period.

    3. Patients of all races are housed in that facility.

      Trying to connect today’s issues at the hospital with ‘systemic racism’ strikes me as being, well, racist.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Did you notice how many times race was cited in the article…?

        1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          Those were actual statistics. I refuse not to point them out out of deference to progressive sensitivities that they try to enforce on the rest of us. The reason that the replacement hospital is scheduled to be built there is because local politicians consider CSH a jobs program, not a hospital with real patients.

          1. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            Be careful, actual statistics or facts may lead to a woke conclusion.

          2. Lefty665 Avatar

            But not likely for anyone who is rational.

          3. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            Or insane.

          4. Lefty665 Avatar

            Central State dates from before WWII. That was long before “massive resistance” was even a gleam in the segregationists eye. So your assertion of that is wrong.

            Virginia’s mental health hospitals were generally, but not always, located away from major population centers, rightly or wrongly. You show no evidence that Central State is near Petersburg, a largely black city, because of race, or what the racial makeup of the Petersburg area was when Central State was established.

            It seems you have invented a racial context while perhaps confusing coincidence and causality. Kendi would be proud of you.

          5. Actually, it pre-dates WWI and even the Spanish-American War. It opened in 1870. So, you are 100% correct in stating that its original function and location have nothing to do with the “massive resistance” of the 1960s.

            Of course, I am in no way trying to imply that during segregation blacks in that facility received treatment equal to whites in similar facilities.

          6. Actually, it pre-dates WWI and even the Spanish-American War. It opened in 1870. So, you are 100% correct in stating that its original function and location have nothing to do with the “massive resistance” of the 1960s.

            Of course, I am in no way trying to imply that during segregation blacks in that facility received treatment equal to whites in similar facilities.

          7. Lefty665 Avatar

            You’re absolutely right, thank you for getting the history straight. I was sloppily thinking of the main building that is being replaced, it was from the late ’30s. Sherlock’s attribution was pernicious.

            Unequal treatment has undoubtedly been real in mental health services as in the rest of America. Not sure that is a reason to terminate the institution today, or that it would automagically be different in Charlottesville than in Petersburg.

            FWIW I have worked with community mental health programs all over Virginia. The clients they served invariably closely resembled the local population. Every one of them. Three of the worst that immediately come to mind are predominately white, Radford (Cho), Rockingham (Gus Deeds) and Hanover.

          8. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            Thank you for working there. But that experience gave you absolutely no insight into the history of Central State.

            It “served” only Blacks until 1967.

            What you wrote otherwise is totally wrong.

          9. Lefty665 Avatar

            I worked with the folks at Central State, I never worked at Central State, nor was I ever a state employee.

            You are saying I was “totally wrong” in characterizing the client population in local community programs as being representative of local populations, or that local program quality varies profoundly? If so, you are not just “wrong” but delusional. I have worked with programs from Bristol to Winchester to Virginia Beach and many points in between. I have seen with my own eyes who they serve and how.

          10. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            So is it your contention that during segregation of all of Virginia’s hospitals prior to federal law in the 60’s Virginia’s mental health facilities were integrated? If so, you are wrong. The hospital served only African Americans until the Civil Rights Acts of 1964. From 1967 it accepted all races and nationalities.

          11. No, that is not my contention, and an unbiased person who was not trying to cover up his own error would know that. You are implying that I said things I did not say. In fact, my statement Of course, I am in no way trying to imply that during segregation blacks in that facility received treatment equal to whites in similar facilities makes it abundantly clear to any open-minded person that I know the hospital was originally built to serve only black patients.

            Your statement: It was put there, if you had not guessed, by leaders of massive resistance in order to comply with federal integration laws in the 60’s, while making a mockery of them at the same time is incorrect, and all I did was point that out. The fact is, the original location and function of the hospital had nothing to do with the massive resistance of the 1960s.

            I think you should dismount from your high-horse and stop trying to pick fights with people who essentially agree with your major premise regarding the need for new mental hospitals in Virginia.

            Or do you require 100% agreement with your ideas and statements?

          12. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            Central State Hospital, originally known as the Central Lunatic Asylum, is a psychiatric hospital in Petersburg, Virginia, United States.

            It was the first institution in the country for “colored persons of unsound mind”.

            That is the context, Lefty. Seems reasonably racial to me.

            If it helps you out, In 2010 the Central State Hospital Chapel was registered on the National Register of Historic Places as a symbol of the state’s unequal treatment of African Americans during the period of segregation.

          13. Lefty665 Avatar

            No one, and certainly not me, is arguing that there was not racial discrimination, that Virginia did not segregate by race or that separate was equal. That is history, thankfully.

            As Wayne correctly notes your statement that “It was put there, if you had not guessed, by leaders of massive resistance in order to comply with federal integration laws in the 60’s, while making a mockery of them at the same time.” is factually false.

            We all pretty much agree that Virginia, and the nation, needs to better provide for people with severe mental health issues. In this thread the issue is specifically people with violent, criminal insanity.

            One question is how best to do that. You have jumped to a conclusion and are unwilling to consider alternatives to the point you deflect the conversation into denigrating Petersburg and waving the flag of past racism in the Old Dominion.

            That is not constructive. It does not help in figuring out how to do better for those among us who are least able to help themselves. You can do better than that.

          14. Well said – better, and more positive in tone than my previous comment.

            Thank you.

        2. Yes. I do not think the author should have stressed the issue of race as much as he did in the article.

          As evidenced by many of the comments, it distracts from the real issue: the abominable conditions and the outdated facility in which we house our most dangerous, and at the same time vulnerable & helpless, mental health patients.

          1. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            Some are of the opinion that the multiple reference to race enhance the context of the piece.

          2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            I did so to show that the patients and their families that are victims of substandard care are largely Black. If that wasn’t clear enough, I updated it. It was also meant to point out that the local politicians that insist it remain in Petersburg are not looking out for the patients.

  6. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    They should raze the place due to its unsavory legacy. Deed the property to the Civil War Battlefield Trust. This is a key piece of history to the Siege of Petersburg. Grant’s break thru assault passed over this ground capping a victory and the road to Appomattox began.

  7. Thomas Dixon Avatar
    Thomas Dixon

    Central is getting press because of the video taped death. People need to know that human rights are being violated on a very large and perpetual scale at the other ones as well. Eastern is adding walls around its compound in an effort to cover leadership’s inability to keep people from escaping. Maybe they will make it a supermax for the insane. But until the issues of abuse are addressed, meaning the abusers are removed, nothing will change.

    1. Charles D'Aulnais Avatar
      Charles D’Aulnais

      Well, the concept of “super max” is in itself abuse. If they’re not crazy on entry, they soon will be.

      1. Well, the concept of “super max” is in itself abuse.

        I disagree on that point. There are some people who are so deeply disturbed (or evil one prefers) that they need to be kept completely separated from the rest of the population, even general populations within prisons and mental hospitals.

        Real abuse, of both them and the rest of us, would be not have facilities to house such people.

      2. Well, the concept of “super max” is in itself abuse.

        I disagree on that point. There are some people who are so deeply disturbed (or evil, if one prefers) that they need to be kept completely separated from the rest of the population, even from the general populations in our prisons and mental hospitals.

        Real abuse, of them and the rest of us, would be not having facilities to house such people.

        1. Charles D'Aulnais Avatar
          Charles D’Aulnais

          Didn’t say it wasn’t necessary. Said it’s abusive. Downright cruel. But there are animals masquerading as humans who would kill anyone they could in a general population setting.

          Trick is evaluation.

          1. Trick is evaluation.

            Very true.

          2. Lefty665 Avatar

            We tend to evaluate based on experience. We lock people away in forensic units to keep them from doing more horrific things and to provide MH services to help them heal.

  8. This is part of a larger national problem – the deinstitutionalization of the severely mentally ill in the US.

    Deinstitutionalization is the name given to the policy of moving severely mentally ill people out of large state institutions and then closing part or all of those institutions; it has been a major contributing factor to the mental illness crisis.

    Deinstitutionalization doesn’t work. We just switched places. Instead of being in hospitals the people are in jail. The whole system is topsy-turvy and the last person served is the mentally ill person. — Jail official, Ohio

    Most of those who were deinstitutionalized from the nation’s public psychiatric hospitals were severely mentally ill. Between 50 and 60 percent of them were diagnosed with schizophrenia. Another 10 to 15 percent were diagnosed with manic-depressive illness and severe depression. An additional 10 to 15 percent were diagnosed with organic brain diseases — epilepsy, strokes, Alzheimer’s disease, and brain damage secondary to trauma. The remaining individuals residing in public psychiatric hospitals had conditions such as mental retardation with psychosis, autism and other psychiatric disorders of childhood, and alcoholism and drug addiction with concurrent brain damage. The fact that most deinstitutionalized people suffer from various forms of brain dysfunction was not as well understood when the policy of deinstitutionalization got under way.

    Thus deinstitutionalization has helped create the mental illness crisis by discharging people from public psychiatric hospitals without ensuring that they received the medication and rehabilitation services necessary for them to live successfully in the community. Deinstitutionalization further exacerbated the situation because, once the public psychiatric beds had been closed, they were not available for people who later became mentally ill, and this situation continues up to the present. Consequently, approximately 2.2 million severely mentally ill people do not receive any psychiatric treatment.

    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/asylums/special/excerpt.html

    1. American Psychosis: How the Federal Government Destroyed the Mental Illness Treatment System – by E. Fuller Torrey

      Torrey examines the Kennedys’ involvement in the policy, the role of major players, the responsibility of the state versus the federal government in caring for the mentally ill, the political maneuverings required to pass the legislation, and how closing institutions resulted not in better care – as was the aim – but in underfunded programs, neglect, and higher rates of community violence. Many now wonder why public mental illness services are so ineffective. At least one-third of the homeless are seriously mentally ill, jails and prisons are grossly overcrowded, largely because the seriously mentally ill constitute 20 percent of prisoners, and public facilities are overrun by untreated individuals. As Torrey argues, it is imperative to understand how we got here in order to move forward towards providing better care for the most vulnerable.

      https://www.amazon.com/American-Psychosis-Government-Destroyed-Treatment/dp/0199988714/ref=sr_1_7?crid=3O5F3MTTAH89U&keywords=deinstitutionalization&qid=1681904476&s=books&sprefix=deinstitutionalization%2Cstripbooks%2C65&sr=1-7

    2. Deinstitutionalization has also impacted the frequency of mass shootings.

      The Journal of Clinical Psychopharmacology published a study of people who committed a mass shooting from 1982 to 2019 and survived. The study focused on the survivors, as opposed to those who died, because the ensuing legal proceedings revealed “the most reliable psychiatric information.” Among the 35 mass shooters who survived, 51% had schizophrenia, and 80% had a psychiatric diagnosis.

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      1. It is not easy to craft policies to ensure that people who seriously need help get it without forcing others to undergo unnecessary mental health treatments. However, cases like the Virginia Tech massacre—the deadliest school shooting in U.S. history—show there is much room for improvement. As detailed in the official report of this tragedy that cost the lives of 32 students and faculty:

        https://scholar.lib.vt.edu/prevail/docs/April16ReportRev20091204.pdf#page=63

    3. Lefty665 Avatar

      Deinstitutionalization started in the 1970s because we had far too many people institutionalized. Many did not have severe mental illness, and it was far too easy to get people institutionalized. That was clearly abusive of many people.

      People have the right to be in “the least restrictive environment”. With deinstitutionalization the idea was that the funds for services would follow people out of institutions into the community. That largely did not happen. There is also a good argument that deinstitutionalization went too deeply into the population of people who actually benefited from institutional mental health settings.

      We solved one problem but in the process created another larger one. I would not stigmatize the idea of deinstitutionalization itself, in at least its initial stages it was performing a needed service to people who should not have been institutionalized in the first place. Our rotten execution and failure to provide needed services in the community are the problem. I encourage focusing on those issues that are in desperate need of fixing.

    4. Lefty665 Avatar

      Deinstitutionalization started in the 1970s because we had far too many people institutionalized. Many did not have severe mental illness, and it was far too easy to get people institutionalized. That was clearly abusive of many people.

      People have the right to be in “the least restrictive environment”. With deinstitutionalization the idea was that the funds for services would follow people out of institutions into the community. That largely did not happen. There is also a good argument that deinstitutionalization went too deeply into the population of people who actually benefited from institutional mental health settings.

      We solved one problem but in the process created another larger one. I would not stigmatize the idea of deinstitutionalization itself, in at least its initial stages it was performing a needed service to people who should not have been institutionalized in the first place. Our rotten execution and failure to provide needed services in the community are the problem. I encourage focusing on those issues that are in desperate need of fixing.

      1. I am well aware of the excess and abuses of the past. Yes, too many were institutionalized, but today we have moved to the other ditch.

        1. Lefty665 Avatar

          The issue being our failure to provide community based services as envisioned to the people we have deinstitutionalized. That is the problem we need to solve. Turning people with mental illness out on the streets to live is both tragic and an utter disgrace.

          As the tune goes “Freedom’s just another name for nothing left to lose. Nothing ain’t worth nothing but it’s free”.

        2. Lefty665 Avatar

          The issue being our failure to provide community based services as envisioned to the people we have deinstitutionalized. That is the problem we need to solve. Turning people with mental illness out on the streets to live is both tragic and an utter disgrace.

          As the tune goes “Freedom’s just another name for nothing left to lose. Nothing ain’t worth nothing but it’s free”.

          1. That may be a part of it, but it’s not that simple.

            Some people DO need to be either on medication or institutionalized for their good as well as that of the public at large.

            My father worked in an institution when I was young, and I volunteered there starting when I was in grade school. I saw a lot, good and bad.

            On the bad side were people who were mild or in a few cases just abandoned by the parents. That’s absolutely horrible, and I’m not suggesting we go back there.

            Now, however, we find ourselves in the other ditch.

            My brother married someone with severe mental illness in the family. He was not aware of the family history until long after they were married and had children. When she started to self destruct, he was powerless to do anything about it. She had the right to refuse treatment.

            At one point, she chased my brother around the house with a kitchen knife.

            The bar was too low, and now it’s too high.

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