California Proposing More EV Rules for Virginia

Now the powerful regulator of Virginia’s vehicles sales and emissions, thanks to the General Assembly.

by Steve Haner

Virginia’s auto industry overlords in California have a new set of proposed mandates for both electric and internal combustion vehicles which, once adopted, will automatically apply here in the Commonwealth.  They do not advance the date for banning the sale of new gasoline and diesel vehicles earlier than 2035 but do increase the incremental targets for percentage of EV sales in earlier years.

The California Air Resources Board (CARB) regulatory process is well advanced, with a revised draft coming out soon, setting up a second round of comments and a final hearing in August.  Virginia’s dying news media cannot cover this state anymore, so don’t expect coverage of actions in Sacramento.  And, of course, the corporate media is now dominated by editors, writers and owners committed to the war on fossil fuels.

Adding to that, Virginia’s auto dealers themselves (big advertisers and campaign donors) played a huge role in supporting the decision by former Governor Ralph Northam (D) and the then-majority Democrats in the legislature to pass the 2021 bill putting Virginia under California’s control.  A 2022 bill to reverse that passed the House with its new Republican majority, but failed on a party line vote in a Senate committee controlled by Democrats.

Section 177 is a federal provision allowing states to opt out of federal vehicle fuel economy and emission standards and follow California instead.  Click for larger view.

A recent CARB PowerPoint slide deck on the proposal includes one showing all the states which have decided to follow California’s rather than federal vehicle regulations, and claims they account for 40% of all U.S. vehicle sales.  Starting with the 2026 model year, 35% of all new vehicle sales would have to be zero emission vehicles in Virginia, not the previous target of 26% under the current regulation.

Given the price differentials and the investment it is making in EV conversion, the auto industry is probably ecstatic.  The CARB claims that 300-mile range battery vehicles will achieve cost parity with the older technology by 2033, and offers illustrations of lower lifetime costs, but the initial sticker prices are likely to remain high and the industry really wants to sell the larger cars, SUVs and light trucks, too.  See what the Ford F-150 version costs.

If you have any skin in this game, the slide deck and an accompanying description of all the related regulatory proposals are important to review.  The depth and breadth of the proposal is impressive.  Responding to known elements of consumer resistance to EVs, the rules dive into charging technology, battery life and labeling, and maintenance and warranty requirements.

One goal is to maintain 75-80% of the initial range of the vehicles for their whole useful life, an admission, apparently, that many of the vehicles now being sold lose substantial range over time.  That doesn’t happen to a well-maintained internal combustion engine.

Plug-in hybrids will have to go at least 50 miles on a charge (they don’t now?).  And, recognizing that internal combustion vehicles will remain on the road for decades, California will impose new fleet standards on them and seek to reduce aggressive driving and cold starts, impose new design standards to prevent evaporation of fuel, and in general remake the industry to its liking.

Starting in 2025, the fleet fuel economy requirements will be calculated with EV’s removed from the equation, and they are totally disregarded from the calculation after 2029.  That will force changes with the internal combustion vehicles still being sold.

Even the towing industry is in for some changes.

The claim is that adopting this will reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 50% by 2040, which is conceivable only if the claim applies solely to motor vehicle emissions.  The slide also shows vehicle greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions going down about 20% in that period if these regulations are not imposed.  The regulations have even less impact on vehicle nitrous oxide (NOx) emissions, also dropping on their own.

California claims the savings to the state and consumers exceed the cost without considering “health benefits or the social cost of carbon.”  The health benefits are always exaggerated, if not imagined, and the social cost of carbon is definitely a made-up number.

There is an environmental justice component, “to reward direct automaker action.”  Plans include discounted EVs for community programs, lower retail prices, and more used EV’s being directed to participating dealerships.  Whether those elements of California’s plan will also apply in Virginia is not clear.  If they are tied into the carrot and stick methods California uses to manage dealer and automaker behavior, it is likely they will.

The 2021 General Assembly majority completely surrendered (some might suspect sold) the sovereignty of their constituents.  If they didn’t anticipate California was just getting started and would double down, they should have.  Bowing under federal regulations is one thing, as Virginians get to vote for members of Congress and the President.  No one in Virginia votes for California’s legislators or governor (or can sign a California initiative and referendum petition).

But we do vote on the Virginia legislature again in 16 months.


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50 responses to “California Proposing More EV Rules for Virginia”

  1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    “The health benefits are always exaggerated if not imagined, and the social cost of carbon is definitely a made-up number.”

    An excellent example of knee-jerk Conservative denialism at work.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Yet true nonetheless. Diesel fumes in urban areas are worth removing (CNG vehicles also do that nicely), but in general the health benefits are exaggerated and the social cost of carbon imaginary.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        This is only true if you practice man-made climate change denialism and off-handedly reject all estimates based on the premise that it is an operating process… hence my comment.

        1. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          Or if you accept the fact that neither Virginia, nor California, nor the United States can (on its own) make a meaningful difference in world atmospheric emissions levels.

          1. That sounds like you view the US as leading the charge and we are the only ones involved, which I believe you know is not true.

          2. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            Germany for all their lauding about “Going Green” just stopped producing in house and started buying from Russia. Russian gas is no less “dangerous” than German gas.

            However, they are bringing their coal power plants back on online to help with the fact that they got into bed with a dictator.

          3. I’m surprised they haven’t also reversed their stance on nuke shutdowns. They just closed 3 in January (I think). I’m sure they want that decision back.

          4. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            “ARL a few seconds ago
            I’m surprised they haven’t also reversed their stance on nuke shutdowns. They just closed 3 in January (I think). I’m sure they want that decision back.”

            Without a doubt, I just don’t understand their logic on the process.

          5. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            There’s a difference between being the “only one involved” and having enough critical mass of involved countries to make a difference. Until India, China, Brazil, etc get serious I suspect that the US will suffer the economic consequences of rushing to carbon neutrality without a measurable improvement in world climate change.

          6. Sure, but that — critical mass being, well, critical — isn’t wasn’t what you said. I also don’t agree with the implicit assumption that the big 3 you mention aren’t working to decarbonize. China added over 130 GW of renewables last year. (I believe this includes hydropower). China added around 25GW of coal or less than 1/6th of renewables capacity. By comparison, the US added 24 GW of renewables in 2021. China capacity adds dwarf US.

            So the talking point that we are “going it alone” really isn’t true is it?

  2. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Trump administration CAFE standards replaced the Obama administration’s standards, which would have pushed the US auto fleet to an average efficiency of 54.5 mpg by 2025, with standards that would reach only 40 mpg (a goal the industry expects to exceed even without a rule).

    What’s the cost of gasoline again?

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      What goes up will come down. But if people respond to the price of gas by buying an EV, a hybrid, or looking for high mileage choices, I’m fine with that. That is great. However, what they actually still buy are the big honking trucks and SUVs. I still think my next choice will be an EV or a hybrid, but so far the Camrys are holding out. 🙂 I would hate to pay the car tax and new HUF tax on one of those $70,000 EV trucks. Total cost of ownership….

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        CAFE is a market pressure by other means.

      2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        It is possible that one of the big draws is how they pitch these EV trucks to be a battery backup for your house during outages. Kind of like buying a generator for your house along with your vehicle. Are EV trucks nothing more than a status symbol these days…?? I’ll take the Prius Snob crowd…

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Fully charged, the Ford has 98 kWhr. With a 1500 watt inverter with a seek, you could probably keep your refrigerator running for about 3 days. It’ll hit the battery for 1000 watts starting, maybe a minute, and then drop to 300 watts running. Never paid that much attention, but mine probably runs 15-20 minutes in an hour. Think I’ll measure it someday.

          Of course, since you’ve lost AC, the ambient temperature is going to double the duty cycle.

          1. Stephen Haner Avatar
            Stephen Haner

            Hey, I think the technology is wonderful, but it should be voluntary, not mandatory.

          2. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
            f/k/a_tmtfairfax

            Don’t you know which is the Party of choice?

          3. Stephen Haner Avatar
            Stephen Haner

            In truth, depends on what is being chosen.

          4. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Chlordane,
            DDT,
            R-12,
            Soon ICE (as opposed to ice which may be in high demand because of ICE),

            Other products you cannot have,
            https://www.cbp.gov/travel/us-citizens/know-before-you-go/prohibited-and-restricted-items?language_content_entity=en

            Oh, how ruined your happiness…

          5. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Chlordane,
            DDT,
            R-12,
            Soon ICE (as opposed to ice which may be in high demand because of ICE),

            Other products you cannot have,
            https://www.cbp.gov/travel/us-citizens/know-before-you-go/prohibited-and-restricted-items?language_content_entity=en

            Oh, how ruined your happiness…

          6. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            Gotta remember the defrost cycle. It runs once or twice a day and it is resistance heat that will be a heavier load than the compressor. Total draw on ours is <10kWh a day, but it is a smaller box.

    1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      Cue the whining about rolling blackouts… alas, those poor Texans… (actually it is the “poor” Texans who suffer and are the real victims of their own Conservative government… that is the real crime here…)

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Not stating anything about cause but over the last three decades the ratio of record highs to record lows is running 2:1. Were the temperature stable, one would expect this to be 1:1. Think rolling a 1 or a 6 on a fair die. It’s evidence that the distribution is shifting.

        Could it be the Sun? Well, the solar constant ain’t, but the changes are not trending, nor are they large enough to explain the trend.

        Gee, I dunno. It’s a mystery. Something must be changing the flux balance, maybe.

        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uVkfh89iyeU&ebc=ANyPxKpj8POlExeApUKuiAexKPqp0J5K-4GFRJXQBPCR1kcfBDsdOimfJHwcJAp14-oGk97MG8mLKURTeAaks15BpN0T86_3pA&feature=emb_logo

        1. Stephen Haner Avatar
          Stephen Haner

          What the GHG concentration does is reduce the radiational cooling at night. Urban heat island effect also plays into that. So nighttime lows may indeed be less frequent. What you cannot see are MORE record highs, which is why the alarmists focus on the ratio. Use the stats that make your case and ignore those that undercut it!

          When the nighttime lows rise a tad, the overall daily average rises a tad. Again, this recent media forgetfulness that summers are hot is just hype. Summers get hot. “Millions under heat warnings,” the talking heads bleat every night….

          1. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
            f/k/a_tmtfairfax

            I grew up hearing stories from my parents and grandparents about the summer of 1936. https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/North-Americas-Most-Intense-Heat-Wave-July-and-August-1936

            My dad claimed that it was too hot to sleep on his mother’s front porch, so they slept outside in the yard, which had not a blade of grass. My bet is fewer that 1/10th of today’s climate experts and journalists even know about the summer of 1936.

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            1936 is still the record holder on June 30 and a few other days, but there are more 2010, 2012, etc.
            https://www.weather.gov/media/akq/climateRECORDS/RIC_Climate_Records.pdf

            Maybe your dad was comparing to the ice age and walking 3 miles to school uphill both ways… in the snow… in May…

          3. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            I don’t care what it does, or what scientists or you believe how it does it. We take and record temperatures virtually everywhere on the planet and over the 3 last decades ratios of record highs to record lows is 2:1. If at the same time measurements of GHGs indicate a similar rise, it’s at least suspicious, at most correlated and at worst causal.

  3. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
    f/k/a_tmtfairfax

    It’s time for the federal courts to slap California’s arrogance into the ground. Motor vehicles, gasoline, diesel and electric, are all made and sold in interstate commerce. This is an area for regulation by Congress.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Yeah, but Section 177 was blessed by that Congress. Oops.

      1. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
        f/k/a_tmtfairfax

        Repeal it.

      2. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Proposition 65… Bo knows. California knows too.

    2. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
      energyNOW_Fan

      This is a big part of the problem. The Feds years ago gave California autonomy on cars to help solve their special-case smog problem. Now California is using that autonomy to mandate climate change goals and mandate EV’s, unrelated to any proven smog issues. Democrats favor giving California the lead on these auto matters, despite the fact it was not the original intent.

      EDIT: If we are to become a less divisive society, one step the Dems need to agree to not let California usurp the Feds on auto eco-matters. Good luck with that.

  4. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    Ouch. My initial post included a link to an ad for a used F-150 I thought was an EV version, but Google tricked me. Apparently it was a very tricked out gasoline truck instead that popped up in the search. I removed the link. The point remains: The trucks and fancier EV’s are likely to stay expensive. Here is some better info from Car and Driver:
    https://www.caranddriver.com/ford/f-150-lightning

  5. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    re: ” Virginia’s dying news media cannot cover this state anymore, so don’t expect coverage of actions in Sacramento. And, of course, the corporate media is now dominated by editors, writers and owners committed to the war on fossil fuels.”

    Gawd, One might think there is no right wing media. No Watts Up With That?, no Washington Examiner or Daily Caller or Bull Elephant, etc…

    nope, just a darth of media who “cover” the story but of course, it’s the liberal media’s fault.

    re: California dictating to other states. Nope. For all the conservative states-rights folks they are hypocrites on this. California only ever wanted to set it’s own standards, not only on cars and emissions but things like tuna fish and mercury or carcinogens in products , etc.

    They don’t tell other states what to do. Other states respect California’s approach and adopt their standards but it’s purely up to the state to do that or not. And one can bet if Virginia flips to GOP -that will happen.

    Finally on hybrids. There are all different kinds but one kind has the battery but also runs on gasoline. You use the battery until it runs out and it seamlessly switches to gasoline. Yes, it cost more up front – just as other conservation technology does (like earth-based HVACs or LEDS) but over time the higher up-front cost leads to lower lifecycle costs – something any Conservative worth their salt USED to hold in high esteem.

    As the price of hybrids comes down – more and more folks who have a “city” car will switch and not only in this country in other countries even 3rd world as we have seen in the past when the US and other developed countries take the lead , eventually it does flow to India , China, etc.

    it just is not going to happen overnight and no one is claiming that other than the critics , opponents and climate deniers. It will take decades and likely the deniers will just slowing decrease in numbers as they croak one by one.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      So much wrong I can’t even start.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Pick one.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          yes. 😉

          half the battle here in BR is cleaning up the misinformation!

          And Haner – a hard core climate denier… “considering” an EV.. what the?…

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            At some point, money speaks. Apparently, about $5 a gallon.

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Let’s put it this way, Larry. There are large tracts of inhabited Virginina, mostly west of I-95, where if Thomas Jefferson were to rise from his grave, he’d think it was July 5th, 1826. The most likely giveaway that time had passed would be If WHEN he saw an AR-15.

    2. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
      energyNOW_Fan

      Liberals agree to follow Ca. standards with sets the stage for divisiveness

  6. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
    energyNOW_Fan

    It is hard to grasp Virginia moving to California rules. For example. Maryland has been a CARB state since 2011, and some states on the map have been CARB since 2006. Those states have been following Ca. guidelines for some years, whereas Virginia has not even started yet along the Ca. trajectory.

    Most of those states give money to EV buyers, and what really promoted EV sales in California was giving EV’s free access to HOV lanes with a single occupant (and that was 10-yrs ago). On the other hand, Virginia, especially NoVA, charges over 5% per year car tax, which is an enormous penalty for buying new cars. It can easily cost $10,000 more in net taxes to buy an EV (or any expensive new car) in Virginia compared to other states.

    Compare for example, buying a hybrid or EV in Wash DC. You are exempted sales tax (6% savings) for a $2700 savings on a $45000 car. Instead in Virginia you pay sales tax and annual car tax which can add up t0 $8000 for a car like that. Colorado was giving $5000 to EV buyers.

    Note that these state EV incentives change often, so you need scorecard to keep up. But those are examples of what pro-EV states have done in the past, or are still doing.

  7. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
    energyNOW_Fan

    Currently Prius Prime PHEV sedan gets 25-miles on EV mode, with an 8-kWhr lithium battery, which is quite large.

    The original Prius PiP (Plug-in Prius) had a 4 kWhr battery, I thought was ideal for 11 -miles, but EV purists considered absolutely horrendous. Thus 8 kWhr lithium battery became the allowable min battery size for a plug-in hybrid. As much as 50 miles EV range in a PHEV would necessitate a very large 16 kWkr lithium battery, and a bigger car like a RAV4 would need a fairly huge lithium battery to get 50 miles. For comparison, a Prius hybrid (no plug) has an approximate 1-kWhr battery.

    It gets impractical if plug-in hybrids are mandated huge batteries…that defeats the purpose of a plug-in hybrid, probably intentionally. Liberals assume lithium grows on trees and has zero eco-impact vs. instant death of your children for fossil fuels.

  8. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    It costs about 17 cents to drive one mile in an average gas-powered vehicle versus roughly 5 cents to drive one mile in an electric vehicle.

    Game over. Player one loses. Insert $1.00 to continue play, or try again.

    Given $440B in fossil fuel subsidies, that’s $30,000 per new vehicle sold last year. Would you buy an EV if Uncle Sugar gave you a check for, oh say, $20,000 to do it?

    1. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
      energyNOW_Fan

      check your math

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Go ahead. Find different numbers.

      2. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        The battery capacity of the Tesla Model S ranges from 100 kWh on newer models to 104 kWh on older models. The vehicle has a maximum range of about 368 miles, which means it consumes around 0.27 to 0.28 kWh per mile.

        Most Superchargers use per-kWh billing, meaning you will be billed for each kWh of electricity used to charge your battery. The pricing per-kWh is different at each Supercharging location, but it’s typically around $0.25 per kWh.

        And that’s high speed charging. ~1/4 of 1/4

  9. James McCarthy Avatar
    James McCarthy

    The CA overlords of VA’s auto industry were abetted by VA auto dealers. A perfect example of comity. Where’s the beef?

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      it’s yet another leftist conspiracy……

  10. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Well, consider the size of the economies involved. If Youngkinistan wants a trade agreement with the United States, it has to be prepared to meet some demands.

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