UVa Responds…

Marcus Martin

Two days ago, I posted an article, “How Big Is UVa’s Diversity Bureaucracy?” In it, I noted that Marcus Martin, the University of Virginia’s chief diversity officer, was paid $349,000, the highest salary of any of 50 higher-education diversity officer identified by Campus Reform. I also endeavored to describe the size and effectiveness of UVa’s diversity bureaucracy.

In response, I received this communication from UVa spokesman Anthony de Bruyn, which I reproduce in full:

I write to provide you and your readers important context and clarifications regarding your article “How Big Is UVa’s Diversity Bureaucracy?”

Marcus Martin, M.D., is a practicing physician, professor of emergency medicine and the founding chair of the School of Medicine’s Emergency Department, as well as vice president and chief diversity and inclusion officer at the University of Virginia.  Through his clinical activities, educating and mentoring of medical students and young physicians, he contributes to our medical and education missions. He also teaches a popular course for undergraduates. Dr. Martin is a well-published author and has served in several prominent emergency medicine leadership roles across the nation. And, he is involved in several community-based organizations in Charlottesville and Albemarle County. His compensation reflects not only his responsibilities as the University’s chief diversity officer, but also his role as a medical doctor and long-time faculty member. The characterization of him as merely a bureaucrat is pretty far off the mark.

Just last month, the National Science Foundation again awarded a $5 million grant for which Dr. Martin has been the principal investigator.  This grant, in its second renewal, seeks to boost the number of underrepresented minority students in STEM careers.  The grant involves a consortium of eight universities and colleges, the Virginia-North Carolina Alliance, in addition to the University of Virginia.  NSF renewed the grant because of its demonstrated outcomes.

Your article unfairly criticizes the work of several committees at the University that make important contributions to our living and learning environment, and implies a large number of full-time bureaucrats who do little else.  The members of these committees are students, faculty, staff and community representatives who volunteer their time and expertise over and above their academic and work commitments. The committees study important issues such as improving our recruitment and retention of faculty, staff and students from historically underrepresented groups, and enhancing our community of inclusiveness and to make UVA a better place for everyone.

And, despite the suggestion that there are few substantive results from our diversity efforts, the University has the highest graduation rate for African American students of any public university in the nation. Our current focus is helping minority students succeed in the STEM fields. Next month we will welcome the most diverse class in UVA’s history.

The Board of Visitors recently approved an endowed professorship in Dr. Martin’s name in recognition of his valuable and lasting contributions to medical education and the University community.

Bacon’s response: Dr. Martin sounds like major asset to the university. (See his full bio here. It is impressive.) I don’t think my article characterized him as “merely a bureaucrat,” but if I left that impression, I am happy to stand corrected.

Now, on the much more substantive issue of the effectiveness of UVa’s diversity program, one of de Bruyn’s statements — “the University has the highest graduation rate for African American students of any public university in the nation” — also could use some context.

Yes, it’s true, UVa does have the highest graduation rate for African-American students of any public university in the nation. That’s an achievement for which the university deserves accolades, and which I have lauded on more than one occasion.

However, UVa also has one of the strictest admissions policies of any public university in the country — certainly of any public university in the state — as seen in the exceptionally low percentage of lower-income Pell grant students in the student body. There is a very high correlation between Pell grant status and the six-year drop-out rate. More Pell students means more drop-outs; fewer Pell students means higher graduation rates. Insofar as Pell grant recipients disproportionately hail from African-American families, UVa’s admissions policies limit the number of lower-income African-Americans at higher risk of dropping out.

So, the question is this: Is the exceptionally high graduation rate of UVa’s African-American students due to the ministrations of the diversity bureaucracy or to the stringency of the university’s admissions policies, to some combination of the two, or perhaps to other policies entirely? I would love to see some hard data.

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30 responses to “UVa Responds…

  1. re: ” So, the question is this: Is the exceptionally high graduation rate of UVa’s African-American students due to the ministrations of the diversity bureaucracy or to the stringency of the university’s admissions policies, to some combination of the two, or perhaps to other policies entirely? I would love to see some hard data”

    IN some fairly recent posts, wasn’t it was asserted that low-income minority students as a group tend to not do well in the tougher 4-year institutions and it was even postulated that admitting them was not such a good idea?

    So UVA is actually carefully vetting candidates with an eye towards success?

    Isn’t this a little big of damned if you do and damned if you don’t?

    Maybe time to push on to the next “ding” of UVA.. for myriad crimes against society … 😉

    • In some fairly recent posts, wasn’t it was asserted that low-income minority students as a group tend to not do well in the tougher 4-year institutions and it was even postulated that admitting them was not such a good idea?

      That sounds like a bastardized version of something I might have said, but not like anything I actually did say. Could you please refresh me. The blog has plenty of search tools. You should be able to find the quote(s).

      Furthermore, I am not criticizing UVa for have strict admission guidelines. Actually, I think it’s a good thing — it suggests that there is little or no tokenism. What I’m doing is putting its claim of having the highest African-American graduation rate in context.

      This comment is a classic LarryG distraction!

      • ” But affordability was problematic for those from lower-income families. Four-year institutions were expected to offer extensive financial aid through such programs as AccessUVa at the University of Virginia, the William & Mary Promise, and Virginia Tech’s Funds for the Future.”

        ” The irony is that colleges funded most of the increase in scholarships by hiking tuition, in effect redistributing wealth from better-off students to the poor. While scholarships helped maintain affordability for the poor, the higher sticker price proved a shock to the middle class.”

        ” Likewise, colleges are failing them by accepting them regardless of whether they are actually academically prepared. Colleges have no skin in the game — the federal government that extends hundreds of billions of dollars in loans is the entity exposed to bad student debt — and many are so desperate to maintain their enrollment numbers that they are willing to accept almost anyone.

        The end result is wasted effort, wasted tuition, and broken dreams for the students — a national tragedy. Both America’s (and Virginia’s) high school systems and higher education systems are complicit. If conservative policies led to such disastrous results, there would be a national outcry and accusations of structural racism. But when the results come from misguided compassion, what do you call it? Perhaps the soft bigotry of low expectations.

        It’s pretty clear that UVA .. IS doing due diligence in selecting candidates and then shepherding them through so that they actually do succeed.

        Why not give UVA .. CREDIT for doing this rather than the ankle-biting about other issues?

        • Larry, Concentrate real hard and pay attention: I was not criticizing UVa for exercising strict admission standards. Indeed, in the comment above, I suggested that the strict admission standards, far from being a negative, might be responsible for the felicitously high graduation rates of African-American students.

          Your real beef is that I question — I don’t deny, merely question — the assertion that the diversity bureaucracy is responsible for the high graduation rates. Yet you choose an entirely illogical way to disagree.

          • Nope – you originally dinged their person in charge of Diversity for his salary … right?

            Who actually asserted the high grad rate from diversity ?

            The man does a job… as well as other jobs he gets a good salary…the school has a good record of graduating kids who normally struggle..

            and you want to know “more” because you “doubt” what the “real” reason is…. right?

            there is a pattern here of this.. of basically going after people and institutions… and calling it “transparency and accountability”

            this kind of tight focus serves no good purpose … you say: ” I would love to see some hard data.”… exactly what “hard” data? The kind that “proves” that their diversity program “works”?

            Where would you get that data? how would you be able to separate it out and allocate to the different things like diversity or enrollment anyhow and what if they work together on it?

            I think the results speak for themselves.. and it may well be the result of doing several things in concert…and tweaking them.. and no one could really attribute without a lot of “study” but again – what’s the point here other than UVA found your narrative not fair and came back and further educated.. and apparently – .. that’s not good enough?

            oh come on.. you can’t mea culpa once in a while?

            😉

  2. Ask your UVA contacts:

    Ok, Dr. Martin practices, is a dept chair, teaches a course, is publishing, works with a couple of community based organizations, investigator for NSF. So how much time is spent in diversity activites? The man doesn’t sleep from the first 2 things already. How much money is paid for the VP position?

    “The committees study important issues such as improving our recruitment and retention of faculty, staff and students from historically underrepresented groups, and enhancing our community of inclusiveness and to make UVA a better place for everyone.”

    This says nothing in terms of how their non volunteer work translates into real numbers to getting people to succeed who weren’t already primed to succeed. How many are the kids/relatives of those who already succeeded vs. being first time college attenders in the family, low income, single parent, etc.

    Let me know when they take the same population as ODU and/or NSU and see how well they succeed. How many have to take remedial courses compared to those who don’t.

  3. “The characterization of him as merely a bureaucrat is pretty far off the mark.”

    I am forever surprised at the banal and childlike quality of content and expression that UVA’s “communications department” regurgitates daily.

  4. Obviously, someone needs to be in charge of the program. But I am confused as to whether Dr. Martin is a fulltime physician or a fulltime administrator. And if he splits his time, $349 K seems like an awful lot of money for two part-time jobs.

    VN’s questions deserve answers.

  5. I am glad Jim published U.Va.’s response but it is one more example of what happens when one cites data and conclusions from yet another conservative study or think tank or other with an axe to grind.

    The intended impression in this case was to imply that Dr. Martin’s supposedly excessive salary was because his supposedly exclusive work was to be “chief diversity officer,” which is a term many right wingers loathe because many of them are just a few shades away from being racists and white supremacists. It turns out, U.Va. says, that Dr. Martin’s salary also includes serving as an emergency room physician and teaching courses. That’s a rather large misrepresentation of the facts and I thank Jim for sharing it with us. I wonder, however, if the think tank will likewise make it clear that their study is way out of whack.

    The right wing echo chamber comes up with fake news and fake facts all the time on institutions they despise, such as the news media and modern universities. Plus voter fraud. I recall that some Indiana-based group went around claiming massive voter fraud in Virginia which was completely bogus. Now we have Trump wanting to publish all kinds of personal information about voters supposedly to uncover massive fraud in an election that he fairly won.

    Each day I become more afraid for what will come of democracy in America. It doesn’t help having a serious blogger citing phony stuff about prominent African-American professionals. I have lived and worked in a COmmunist country — the Soviet Union. There, they called such stuff “kompromat” and “disinformatsiya.”Here, we callit Donald Trump.

  6. Peter – just cannot get past the fact Crooked Hillary lost. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-18/finally-a-poll-trump-will-like-clinton-even-more-unpopular

    Racists, bigots and deplorables. “But I am confused as to whether Dr. Martin is a fulltime physician or a fulltime administrator. And if he splits his time, $349 K seems like an awful lot of money for two part-time jobs.”

  7. What the hell does this have to do with Hillary Clinton?

  8. Your Party, with the Clintons still somewhat in charge, brand anyone who disagrees with the “progressive doctrine” as racists, bigots and deplorables. No conservative, or even, moderate can raise questions about a guy holding multiple positions at UVA without being accused of “having an axe to grind,” being loathing “right wingers,” part of an “echo chamber,” etc.

    Why aren’t you curious about a UVA employee who wears multiple hats making well over $300 K each year? The compensation may be justified, but the public should have a lot more information. Imagine if this had happened at GMU’s Mercatus Center!

  9. Jim did four good, general, meaty blog posts on higher education in Virginia and got a handful of responses. He does one quick post asking about administrative expenditures in a specific (controversial) area at UVA and he gets a dozen quick, pointed responses.

    But look at what Jim faces. Picking UVA as a specific example will always get more interest than general commentary, warranted or not. Likewise, picking a specific, provocative area like “Diversity Bureaucracy” will generate much more interest than commenting directly on the elephant in the room: college costs have gone up 4X the rate of inflation for going on 40 years [including at UVA] and administrative costs have been the fastest growing component.

    I fear we are losing the ability to rationally discuss and resolve issues like higher education, healthcare, etc.

    Jim, I apologize for wandering into your bailiwick.

    • Don’t apologize. I need all the help I can get!

    • Izzo –

      As your above comment relates to what you call Jim’s “four good, general, Meaty blog posts on higher education in Virginia,” I agree wholeheartedly.

      I also agree with you and Jim that chronic annual cost escalations now being imposed annually by Va. Colleges and Universities on students are a very serious and growing problem, particularly at UVA, among other places.

      Those growing costs are doubly troublesome because those new costs imposed on students (and taxpayers generally) fail to benefit or otherwise empower those who teach our students, but instead drain public and private resources from the teaching of students to enrich those who do not teach but who instead feed off the higher education establishment in this country.

      So these massive cost escalations actively work to hinder and undermine the higher education of America’s students, including those in Virginia.

      In short, students in Virginia are being ripped off Four Ways to Sunday, along with those parents who pay their tuition and other costs imposed on students. So is the state, the taxpayers, and society generally, ripped off.

      I also agree with your earlier comments (and those of Jim) that SCHEVs proposed options to address these cost escalations are largely superficial and in some cases are potentially counterproductive in numerous instances.

      But I did glean from Jim’s solid reporting that SCHEV as now reshuffled is making a good faith effort to address these mounting cost and efficiency problems in perhaps new and more innovative ways.

      And, although SCHEV’s powers are obviously limited, SCHEV can surely help show the way to a new beginning that helps to ameliorate and hopefully reverses these cost trends, even if only SCHEV members are upfront and forthright about what is going on in higher education. These are honorable people of high accomplishment. What have they to lose? What ever that might be, such loss will pale compared to what these problems are costing students, and those who must pay their bills for corrupted educations.

      I will try to get into more details here over this weekend.

  10. Dr. Martin (Doc Martin?!?) sounds like he’s working his ass off. Hard to argue with that salary in my book.

  11. Jim
    Nothing wrong with your post. That being said, yes I want to know how much this guy is putting to all these “hats”. I want to see ‘bang for buck’. ODU has far far fewer people than this and certainly not paid as well. That being said, I see the push from the ODU President on down, lots of groups, working together without adding charges to the university but events, talks, etc. of people themselves getting together on their own and creating dialogues.

    Yes, if I was a parent, I’d be asking how much are we spending on someone and in what position. If I sent my kid(s) to their medical school, I want someone focused on teaching them medicine. If I wanted diversity and equity, and this guy is really just a “figurehead” and everything comes from there on down, well pay someone else so they’re more than just that. He’d better be talking to people, giving classes, etc. on diversity. Otherwise, pay him to be the MD he is, teach, and showcase that, but don’t throw another hat on him that is a waste of time and really won’t be a “touchable” figure that someone can identify with.

  12. I thought Jim’s higher ed postings were good when I first read them and said so (before he pulled them for more editing).

  13. The issue isn’t Dr. Martin, nor uniquely UVA, and it’s not uniquely the ballooning Diversity departments. To me, this goes in the same basket as Title IX staff and campus anti-sexual assault efforts. It’s easy to spend someone else’s money, and there are no “bad” programs. Who in their right mind will stand up a BOV meeting and recriminate additional spending on Diversity?

    While I cannot furnish hard data, I’m quite sure that UVA’s retention & graduation rates for African-American students was pretty high in the 80s. This had nothing to do with Diversity programs, it had to do with the students. What I hope is that at least some Diversity resources are targeting students who are first-in-family to attend college, regardless of race, as this group has very high dropout rates. Sending some of these kids back to their home corners armed with a degree is a game-changer for families and communities.

  14. “Jim did four good, general, meaty blog posts on higher education in Virginia and got a handful of responses. He does one quick post asking about administrative expenditures in a specific (controversial) area at UVA and he gets a dozen quick, pointed responses.”

    Yes, the hardest work sometimes makes the smallest splash — at first. Those four posts are going to be something we, hopefully, refer to from time to time rather than react to just once, and I note, Jim has also posted them as “Articles” under the separate “Articles” tab at the top of this page for easy back-reference. I didn’t take the relatively few comments as lack of interest, but of intimidating and throughtful posted content! It must be difficult to write such pieces within the context of a blog and get the usual snippy wisecracks rather than real debate over the substance.

  15. I would want to also ask UVA, before you had all these diversity people, tell me how much it costs for not only salaries AND benefits, the office space, etc. but what the stats were on the minority and other groups serviced by them before they got there, and now.

  16. This is an example of a proxy argument.

    the real issue if you look back over the many posts is the escalating price of tuition and how it is pinching the middle class.

    and so the critics have been looking for things to ding UVA on… and when they cannot “prove” it.. they demand more “transparency” – more data .. so they can then use that provided data to further ding UVA.

    it gets worse: ” The irony is that colleges funded most of the increase in scholarships by hiking tuition, in effect redistributing wealth from better-off students to the poor. While scholarships helped maintain affordability for the poor, the higher sticker price proved a shock to the middle class.”

    so now it’s also the “fault” of the lower-income who are “hurting” College affordability for the MIddle Class…

    then the focus goes to individual people – like Mr. Martin – to accuse him of getting a bigger salary than he deserves .. and whether that is an example of what is causing escalating tuition for high salaries not deserved…etc, etc, et al..

    Totally inappropriate to go after individual people ESPECIALLY if you don’t know ALL the facts!

    So we get to the other end of this where we question whether the “success” of a higher grad rate for low-income minorities is actually due to their diversity program or stricter admission standards.

    I mean.. WHERE does this END? it’s as if .. we’re bound and determined to smear UVA and this employee over “doubts” as to what exactly is responsible for their success at graduating students!

    This is a continuing theme… just about every post over the tuition “affordability” issue .. searches for blame… to find out who is responsible!

    GEEZE!

  17. LarrytheG I’m not sure where these arguments are coming from.
    If I am a parent paying for college, I want to know what I’m getting. The only ones who don’t care are the ones who can afford about anything and legacies.
    If all these diversity people are not going to help my kid get a good paying job, one that has fairly steady employment, what’s the point? I’ve seen too many kids with 4 year degrees that lead to nothing in their field. Why pay for a fripperie that isn’t going to help the kid later on? No one in any STEM field is going to care about diversity: they’ll ask what your physics grades were. What math courses you took and what your Java language skills are.

    This is true of any college, university. I’d also suggest taking a look at articles I see where critical thinking is a lacking asset in new graduates and one of the reasons they’re not getting hired. Is all this diversity training doing anything for them later on?

    Jim has a point. One that is starting to become more obvious to employers and parents: questioning the cost of higher education and what we are getting for it. This is one of those items in administration that you want to see solid evidence for it working, especially the # of people and whether or not these figureheads actually are working with the students. That would go true with ANY big named/promoted researcher. If they aren’t having student contact in classes but grad students teaching, what’s the point?

    • re: ” I’m not sure where these arguments are coming from.
      If I am a parent paying for college, I want to know what I’m getting. ”

      I totally agree – but that’s not the same as accusing UVA of hiking tuition costs by spending money frivolously on things not needed ..

      You are NOT entitled to go through every nook and cranny of the University to decide if you agree with their expenditures… in your quest to “know” what you are “getting”.. especially when this is not a problem unique to UVA by any stretch of the imagination.

      What you ARE entitled to is basic metrics to COMPARE different institutions to determine for you – what is your best options and choices.

      There is a difference between CONSTRUCTIVE criticism and DESTRUCTIVE criticism… ..and a lot of it of late – is not really about the “problem”.. rather, it’s a balme-affixing exercise.. a proxy argument disguised as a demand for more transparency when then is used to further tar and feather..

      Folks who want a more “affordable” .. anything.. don’t buy a 3000 square foot home when you should be getting the 2000 so you CAN afford other things LIKE college. Don’t be getting that 50K SUV when you should be keeping that 20K car for a few more years… etc.. It’s ON YOU to help yourself “afford” the choices you want – not taxpayers…

      whatever taxpayers DO to HELP people who make 100K a year – it OUGHT TO BE MINIMAL to start with and especially so if they want their cake and eat it too!

      How did we get to the point where people making 100K deserve subsidies and ..if they don’t get enough.. .. they blame the low-income for getting subsidies?

    • Everyone –

      Hold on to VN’s insight posted above at 5.03 a.m. It’s of central importance. And thus should not be lost in the clutter of other peoples’ confusion.

  18. Probably conflating issues here a little. But Stem and Diversity are not only different critters from each other themselves – as well as affordability for all vs affordability for the middle-class

    STEM and critical thinking relate to what kind of curriculum is relevant to what the economy wants. and what students and their parents when involved prioritize in their own studies…

    I don’t agree with the point that “affordability” is the issue with the cost of college and the value of the degree…. There are LOTS of “affordable” paths to a GOOD degree with a high probability of a job in the economy for ANY kid if they insure that the content of the degree is what employers are looking for. Add to that a degree from a well-respected institution like UVA and the odds are even better.

    How much taxpayers should pay to assist the kid OUGHT to be means-tested to those who cannot afford ANY option to a good degree without help – it should NOT be to assist those who can afford a basic path but want MORE… and/or the Gold standard… what justifies that – especially when the proponents like Bacon make the argument that giving aid to the lower income takes away from helping the middle class -exact quote here:

    ” The irony is that colleges funded most of the increase in scholarships by hiking tuition, in effect redistributing wealth from better-off students to the poor. While scholarships helped maintain affordability for the poor, the higher sticker price proved a shock to the middle class.”

    so the claim is that it’s helping the lower income that is hiking the tuition – apparently not only at UVA but everywhere tuition has gone up…

    “diversity” is way more than financial help at UVA.. it’s selecting candidates that have certain attributes that they feel are needed for the student to succeed… beyond that, once selected UVA stays with them to shepherd them through… I see that as MORE than just careful admission policies.. it’s a multi-prong process. and it works judging from results.

    So the critics are blaming that “help” for blowing up tuition costs… could there be a more despicable idea than blaming help to low income folks as the reason why Middle Income folks can’t “afford” to get taxpayers to fund their soup-to-nuts College desires?

    There’s more irony. Tuition costs are up everywhere.. it’s just just at UVA and in fact UVA is considered a less costly institution than others…

    So what is all of this REALLY about?

    I do not think it’s about a “good paying job” per se. There are lots of ways to do that beyond relying on one option.. a bargain-priced degree at UVA and calling it “affordability” for the Middle Class.

    We all make choices. Some folks put off buying other stuff so they can pay for their kids college.. they sacrifice.. others want to acquire stuff and then have taxpayers fund their kids higher ed just like they did the K-12..

    So, we’re going to blame UVA help to lower income students as the reason why the Middle class cannot afford tuition there any more and UVA should stop paying for diversity programs..and administrators.. and less popular degree programs…new buildings.. etc… so they can make their tuition “more affordable… but only for the middle class… don’t be using those savings to help the low income… certainly not at the expense to “affordability” for the middle class?

    If you think this sounds bad – that’s because it is, especially when you strip away the myriad distracting that get inserted in the dialogue.

    The bottom line is that the cost for a higher ed degree has never had more options .. even though the legacy type “gold standard” has gotten more expensive.. it’s just not the only option and it certainly does not justify taxpayer subsidies for families who make 100K in income – and don’t want to make choices – just get subsidies.

  19. LarrytheG

    * “but that’s not the same as accusing UVA of hiking tuition costs by spending money frivolously on things not needed”

    I’d say a very valid case was made to question it. Take a look at how many times a school has been sued for discrimination, not following it, that should also tell you a lot. The diversity group isn’t doing the school much good. How can it do the students that way? I’ve also noticed I’ve not gotten my original questions answered either.

    * “You are NOT entitled to go through every nook and cranny of the University to decide if you agree with their expenditures… in your quest to “know” what you are “getting”.. especially when this is not a problem unique to UVA by any stretch of the imagination.”

    I most absolutely am. Same goes for the government, buying a home, a car, a spouse, food. I have the right the question. If that question goes to beyond “basic metrics”, then I have the right to ask. Caveat emptor.

    * If it is “ON YOU” to help “yourself afford the choices we want – not taxpayers”, we (the taxpayer) have the right to demand that of the seller. Those who can’t give it, shouldn’t get no taxpayer money.

    The original constitution and the like indicated life, liberty and the persuit of happiness. Nowhere was provision made for the govt. to handout tax breaks to corporations, or the rich, redistribute wealth, or to provide for those less fortunate.

    If too much time is spent in “diversity” to the point where we’re not seeing critical thinking skills, the degree is worthless. I’ve seen time and again where foreigners with degrees where hired over Americans because they had qualities in terms of knowing the skills, applying them, and not crying/calling for cancelling exams because they can’t handle who got elected President and it didn’t go their way. Diversity means accepting something different from you and working with it, respecting it. I’ve seen millions of examples that a lot of people, companies and news outlets who apparently believe in a lot of diversity can’t apply it to politics or any other facet in their lives. It only applies when they want it to or to others.

    * “so the claim is that it’s helping the lower income that is hiking the tuition – apparently not only at UVA but everywhere tuition has gone up…”

    It is. Why do you think they charge so much for out of state and out of country people? They want every dollar they can get. Do you think that the diversity offices are going to change Middle Eastern thought on non Muslims or homosexuals or women (just to name a few)? ROFL LOL.

    * “selecting candidates that have certain attributes that they feel are needed for the student to succeed… beyond that, once selected UVA stays with them to shepherd them through… ”

    None of which are on here: http://www.businessinsider.com/8-traits-the-worlds-most-successful-people-share-2015-7. Go look for successful traits in business or life. Diversity may be only one of them. In other words: waste of money.

    Why are other countries not doing this training? They’ve seen what happened in Germany, Sweden, France. See American kids that don’t grow up and will spout all sort of SJW talk but can’t prepare in college to get a solid job that will be upwardly mobile or provide for themselves and a family.

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